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Contrary to the Big Lie of miners having influence over CCP ("one more nerf"), miners are actually a complacent lot happy to accept a sow's ear.

For what it's worth I think Miners have more of a case for getting nice ship models (like the industrial update we just got) because they actually spend a decent amount of time staring at their ships. Most combat pilots see ships as O, X, or V surrounded by window frames.

I just kind of understand where CCP's art pipeline is (clogged with Citadels) so when something gets pushed back or pushed out without a new model I'm likely to be understanding.

I really do wish the Porpoise had its own model, or at least a more interesting one, but I don't think CCP should delay this update to wait on art assets.

The looming thing absent from these threads are actual miners. Who are largely not engaged at this level of the game. QQP Quant called them "traditionalists" in his 2014 Fanfest Presentation. Easily evident from comments of discovery by miners after the fact that the Hulk lost a mining strip. A mere handful come to comment post update. A tiny fraction of a real number of miners. Those that have shrugged their shoulders at the update, rolled up their sleeves and undocked in a new ship.To an activity that remains unchanged.

It would have been great to see a new hull for the Porpoise. The Attack Battlecruiser designs were sourced from a Deviant Art competition. Prehaps sometime in the future this is possible.

All said, I have not decided whether I will get the BPO or just merely just have a hull- but I will have one in the hanger regardless.

It would be nice to have an official/sanctioned mass test on Sisi with Endurances and Porpoises in Shattered.

I don't think we're seeing more or less participation from miners in these threads than we do from combat pilots, there are just more combat pilots than miners so their tiny fraction is more people than the miner's tiny fraction.

Every time CCP puts out a dev blog saying "we're changing a thing!" after a thread was up for a month there's suddenly a rush of people to the forums looking to comment (or more often speak out against) whatever is changing.

This lack of widespread engagement is part of why the CSM is so important and needs to be representative of the game as a whole, because we really can't count on the majority of players being engaged in its development.



"We don't have the room in the art pipeline right now" isn't an excuse, it's a reason.

What, exactly, would the community as a whole like to give up in exchange for a mining boosting ship model? Pay more money so CCP can hire more art team? Or does a ship rework or something similar get pushed off to fit the new model into the pipeline?

The pace is what it is because doing a game right is time consuming, pretty much by definition.

The only time the pace is what most players consider "good" or "fast" is during early development before release, and that almost inevitably results in a lot of bugs and tech debt that the devs then have to fix. The only reason they go with that sort of pace early on is because they need to release the game and get it out making money.

Basically I've never seen a game where the players are going "yeah, I'm satisfied with the pace of development", which suggests that the problem is in players' expectations, not with every dev in the industry.

On the test server at the moment the Porpoise is appearing with 2 mids and 4 lows, I'm guessing that's just an error that will be corrected before testing is permitted?

welp as for me the only thing I'd actually need with this is noctis hull model being "updated to fit more with new ore hulls"

other than that ships seems ok

Care to elaborate a little? Lol.

The Porpoise is supposed to be the introductory Boosting ship for mining. Making it T2 doesn't make sense in that context. It's basically a mining BC.

There is a distinction to be made here. The Noctis hull is cool. Salvage is an important gameplay mechanic and in the right situations it brings in a lot of ISK. The look of the Noctis has always fit its role.

With the upcoming expansion there are very nice, awesome, amazing additions to the game like Industrial complexes, and leadership boosting is also undergoing a fundamental change. The small mining booster ship is also completely new.

The Noctis hull is cool, but reusing it for this occasion of A Bunch Of Cool Things seems underwhelming.

What's in a ship model, though. Right? It's only the most identifiable object that represents the player's existence in the game. When this is a new expansion and a new ship, does it feel completely right that your super cool new game piece is basically a Player B outfit

Okay, should they put off the mining revamp until they have another ship model done?

It's not even like the Porpoise is a terribly important ship either, it's a newbie-friendly mining booster. Most older players will use an Orca or Rorqual.