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[November] Introducing the Porpoise

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Penance Toralen
Compass Fox
#161 - 2016-10-13 01:18:23 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
hhhhhhhah you can't even give it ORE colors because that's taken by the Primae, which was handed out for free at one point as a subscription bonus

How excited do you really expect people to be over a Noctis SKIN. You couldn't help reusing a years-old hull for a new ship class? Come onnnn


Contrary to the Big Lie of miners having influence over CCP ("one more nerf"), miners are actually a complacent lot happy to accept a sow's ear.
Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#162 - 2016-10-13 03:11:04 UTC
I feel like I'm already toeing the boundary of candid feedback and toxic, so I'll stop here at what I hope will be seen as a suggestion.

Penance you have a point about people who will accept what's given to them. I guess that includes me in this case. I enjoy boosting for the RP and that includes mining.
Cade Windstalker
#163 - 2016-10-13 04:15:59 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I feel like I'm already toeing the boundary of candid feedback and toxic, so I'll stop here at what I hope will be seen as a suggestion.

Penance you have a point about people who will accept what's given to them. I guess that includes me in this case. I enjoy boosting for the RP and that includes mining.


For what it's worth I think Miners have more of a case for getting nice ship models (like the industrial update we just got) because they actually spend a decent amount of time staring at their ships. Most combat pilots see ships as O, X, or V surrounded by window frames. Lol

I just kind of understand where CCP's art pipeline is (clogged with Citadels) so when something gets pushed back or pushed out without a new model I'm likely to be understanding.

I really do wish the Porpoise had its own model, or at least a more interesting one, but I don't think CCP should delay this update to wait on art assets.
Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#164 - 2016-10-13 05:42:57 UTC
Penance Toralen
Compass Fox
#165 - 2016-10-13 06:47:22 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I feel like I'm already toeing the boundary of candid feedback and toxic, so I'll stop here at what I hope will be seen as a suggestion.

Penance you have a point about people who will accept what's given to them. I guess that includes me in this case. I enjoy boosting for the RP and that includes mining.


The looming thing absent from these threads are actual miners. Who are largely not engaged at this level of the game. QQP Quant called them "traditionalists" in his 2014 Fanfest Presentation. Easily evident from comments of discovery by miners after the fact that the Hulk lost a mining strip. A mere handful come to comment post update. A tiny fraction of a real number of miners. Those that have shrugged their shoulders at the update, rolled up their sleeves and undocked in a new ship.To an activity that remains unchanged.

It would have been great to see a new hull for the Porpoise. The Attack Battlecruiser designs were sourced from a Deviant Art competition. Prehaps sometime in the future this is possible.

All said, I have not decided whether I will get the BPO or just merely just have a hull- but I will have one in the hanger regardless.

It would be nice to have an official/sanctioned mass test on Sisi with Endurances and Porpoises in Shattered.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#166 - 2016-10-13 09:44:55 UTC
Yes, it would be nice to see a new model for the Porpoise. I'm sure if I play Eve for another ten years I will eventually see one.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Cade Windstalker
#167 - 2016-10-13 13:14:52 UTC
Penance Toralen wrote:
The looming thing absent from these threads are actual miners. Who are largely not engaged at this level of the game. QQP Quant called them "traditionalists" in his 2014 Fanfest Presentation. Easily evident from comments of discovery by miners after the fact that the Hulk lost a mining strip. A mere handful come to comment post update. A tiny fraction of a real number of miners. Those that have shrugged their shoulders at the update, rolled up their sleeves and undocked in a new ship.To an activity that remains unchanged.

It would have been great to see a new hull for the Porpoise. The Attack Battlecruiser designs were sourced from a Deviant Art competition. Prehaps sometime in the future this is possible.

All said, I have not decided whether I will get the BPO or just merely just have a hull- but I will have one in the hanger regardless.

It would be nice to have an official/sanctioned mass test on Sisi with Endurances and Porpoises in Shattered.


I don't think we're seeing more or less participation from miners in these threads than we do from combat pilots, there are just more combat pilots than miners so their tiny fraction is more people than the miner's tiny fraction.

Every time CCP puts out a dev blog saying "we're changing a thing!" after a thread was up for a month there's suddenly a rush of people to the forums looking to comment (or more often speak out against) whatever is changing.

This lack of widespread engagement is part of why the CSM is so important and needs to be representative of the game as a whole, because we really can't count on the majority of players being engaged in its development.

Rain6637 wrote:
All I'm hearing is excuses right now.


"We don't have the room in the art pipeline right now" isn't an excuse, it's a reason.

What, exactly, would the community as a whole like to give up in exchange for a mining boosting ship model? Pay more money so CCP can hire more art team? Or does a ship rework or something similar get pushed off to fit the new model into the pipeline?
Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#168 - 2016-10-13 13:19:21 UTC
I think it's pretty obvious to say the pace is what it is because difficulties. I guess you could say I just expect more.
Cade Windstalker
#169 - 2016-10-13 13:34:27 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious to say the pace is what it is because difficulties. I guess you could say I just expect more.


The pace is what it is because doing a game right is time consuming, pretty much by definition.

The only time the pace is what most players consider "good" or "fast" is during early development before release, and that almost inevitably results in a lot of bugs and tech debt that the devs then have to fix. The only reason they go with that sort of pace early on is because they need to release the game and get it out making money.

Basically I've never seen a game where the players are going "yeah, I'm satisfied with the pace of development", which suggests that the problem is in players' expectations, not with every dev in the industry.
Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#170 - 2016-10-13 13:41:57 UTC
Darth Bex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#171 - 2016-10-13 23:35:21 UTC
On the test server at the moment the Porpoise is appearing with 2 mids and 4 lows, I'm guessing that's just an error that will be corrected before testing is permitted?
RainReaper
Bras-Tek Industries
#172 - 2016-10-13 23:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: RainReaper
HOLY HEK!

So uh. whats with all the shiny little lights moving around the porpoise hull?

i also noticed the lights on the orca and rorqual as well! also THERE IS A TON OF DIFRENT SKINS FOR EM. like minmatar/amarr/gallente/caldari
as well as skins for all of the pirate factions!
and they are all called (industry livery skin)whats up with that???
Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
#173 - 2016-10-14 09:34:03 UTC
welp as for me the only thing I'd actually need with this is noctis hull model being "updated to fit more with new ore hulls"

other than that ships seems ok
Omar Little
Combine Honnete 0ber Advancer Mercantiles
#174 - 2016-10-14 14:28:02 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Ydnari wrote:
How about the industry information, is this an inventable T2 from the Noctis, or a T1 hull with its own BPO?

T1 hull with a BPO sold by ORE.


Sad
Cade Windstalker
#175 - 2016-10-14 15:55:32 UTC
Omar Little wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Ydnari wrote:
How about the industry information, is this an inventable T2 from the Noctis, or a T1 hull with its own BPO?

T1 hull with a BPO sold by ORE.


Sad


Care to elaborate a little? Lol.

The Porpoise is supposed to be the introductory Boosting ship for mining. Making it T2 doesn't make sense in that context. It's basically a mining BC.
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#176 - 2016-10-14 20:42:28 UTC
Why are people railing on the Noctis hull? I like it. I love that spinning thing that doesn't make any sense to exist. :-)

The speed though. I think the Orca moves faster than that thing.
Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#177 - 2016-10-14 20:54:58 UTC
There is a distinction to be made here. The Noctis hull is cool. Salvage is an important gameplay mechanic and in the right situations it brings in a lot of ISK. The look of the Noctis has always fit its role.

With the upcoming expansion there are very nice, awesome, amazing additions to the game like Industrial complexes, and leadership boosting is also undergoing a fundamental change. The small mining booster ship is also completely new.

The Noctis hull is cool, but reusing it for this occasion of A Bunch Of Cool Things seems underwhelming.

What's in a ship model, though. Right? It's only the most identifiable object that represents the player's existence in the game. When this is a new expansion and a new ship, does it feel completely right that your super cool new game piece is basically a Player B outfit
Kenrailae
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#178 - 2016-10-14 21:15:11 UTC
I was always player 1. Oldest sibling perk.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal

Cade Windstalker
#179 - 2016-10-15 01:28:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Cade Windstalker
Rain6637 wrote:
There is a distinction to be made here. The Noctis hull is cool. Salvage is an important gameplay mechanic and in the right situations it brings in a lot of ISK. The look of the Noctis has always fit its role.

With the upcoming expansion there are very nice, awesome, amazing additions to the game like Industrial complexes, and leadership boosting is also undergoing a fundamental change. The small mining booster ship is also completely new.

The Noctis hull is cool, but reusing it for this occasion of A Bunch Of Cool Things seems underwhelming.

What's in a ship model, though. Right? It's only the most identifiable object that represents the player's existence in the game. When this is a new expansion and a new ship, does it feel completely right that your super cool new game piece is basically a Player B outfit


Okay, should they put off the mining revamp until they have another ship model done? Roll

It's not even like the Porpoise is a terribly important ship either, it's a newbie-friendly mining booster. Most older players will use an Orca or Rorqual.
RainReaper
Bras-Tek Industries
#180 - 2016-10-15 01:34:54 UTC  |  Edited by: RainReaper
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
There is a distinction to be made here. The Noctis hull is cool. Salvage is an important gameplay mechanic and in the right situations it brings in a lot of ISK. The look of the Noctis has always fit its role.

With the upcoming expansion there are very nice, awesome, amazing additions to the game like Industrial complexes, and leadership boosting is also undergoing a fundamental change. The small mining booster ship is also completely new.

The Noctis hull is cool, but reusing it for this occasion of A Bunch Of Cool Things seems underwhelming.

What's in a ship model, though. Right? It's only the most identifiable object that represents the player's existence in the game. When this is a new expansion and a new ship, does it feel completely right that your super cool new game piece is basically a Player B outfit


Okay, should they put off the mining revamp until they have another ship model done? Roll

It's not even like the Porpoise is a terribly important ship either, it's a newbie-friendly mining booster. Most older players will use an Orca or Rorqual.

I do belive you are missing one important aspect of the porpoise. the fact that it can pass trough frigate only wormholes. imagine a battlecruiser like ship in a wormhole where only frigates should be allowed. with powered up drones to take on any small frigate gangs that might apear to try and gank some endurances or prospects. and if you have 3 you could spider tank a little thanks to the porpoises enhanced remote shield bonuses. people will think twice about attacking a well prepared wormhole mining fleet lol.
altough i guess bombers might be a bit of a problem... but hey. there needs to be a paper for your rock somewhere lol

so yeah for new players you got a cheap highsec mining op boosting ship and for the veterans we got a ship that can be used to harvest frigate only wormholes of their sweet ABC ore :p