EVE General Discussion

The Drake is NOT over-powered. I see them die to Hurricanes every day! Now the Hurricane... that ships needs to be balanced. Arty Shield Cane is OP!

Haha, well said!

Caldari has the 14 inch penis.

CCP, my railrox!

Actually, that is the best possible outcome. More new players not being suckered into the broken caldari/missile combo right out of the gate is a win/win situation. The newbs get into better ships eventually, even though admittedly the drake is about the best you can do with extremely low sp, and in the mean time they learn the skills necessary to make the superior weapon systems (turrets) shine.

Eventually the caldari ship count drags to a minimum with tengus being the last holdout and CCP has to finally recognize how broken the race is on the whole, rather than continue to objectify caldari based on what a single stand-out can do. Of course, I suspect a tengu nerf would be in the cards at that point, but a few years later we might actually get a launcher balance patch!

Conclusion? Off with the drake's head! It's for our own good.

Rather than nerfing ECM...why not buff sensor damps like they intend to? A celestis/arazu/lach damping a falcon/rook is already very effective against birds at range....

Yep, here's one part of the problem. You see, no other race has a BC that can do level 4s like a drake can. The Myrm could have put out sufficient damage, until it got nerfed to a Vexor's damage output. The Harby still can put out the damage, but not have a tank at the same time. And the Cane ditto to the Harby, although it can take advantage of the ridiculous BC shield regen to pass some missions against angels.

Basically if you fly any other race than Caladari you are stuck training BS and large ship weapons, which means more time training into that ship and less isk influx as a relative noob. You can't argue with the stats, and all the stupid replies in ship fitting threads of "just get a Drake" betray what you all know but don't like to admit. The ship lacks the tradeoff decisions that other ships have, damage or tank became damage and tank (sure the damage half is not op, but it is enough to get the job done). The CSM minutes are correct and CCP may finally have the balls to tell the majority population (and probably became the majority population because everyone heard eve is easy, if you get a drake) sorry but your favorite ship is overrepresented and overpowered and we have to trim it back (unlike the swift heavy nerf the Myrmidon got).

Then there is pvp - Despite the well worn cliches - "but it can't do any damage whereas my Harby . . ." (of course then, where are the Harby fleets?), but it has an em hole the size of a (ignoring the fact that it is already partially filled by the resist bonus), and but i sacrifice so much damage to . . . (and yet you can still get full and sufficient damage at 70-80km unlike other ships in class at that range and still have a BS sized tank) the Drake has proliferated. Sure in the beginning everyone scoffed at it due to passive regen fittings trying to pvp. But then people realized here we have an excellent, in fact, BS class buffer and the ability to project damage farther than some BSs can.

Cane fleets exist, but they are used much less often than drake fleets. Cane fleets are sorta gimick fleets "welp fleets". They have a role but it's not going toe to toe with battleships or ahacs unlike a drake fleet. The Drake has been a stand out for far too long.

So what would happen with a damage reorientation. Well, I think you would still see some drake fleets. But they would be used in the same manner as cane fleets. Let's fly something that we may not come back in but we could end up laying a heap load of hurt on something big if we catch it. Without the resist bonus it will not sport a BS sized tank and thus will not be a brawling mainstay fleet type.

For Caldari in general, the Nighthawk will benefit from the overall CCP buff to command ships. Again, probably in the offensive realm as it can already constuct a superior tank. Other tech III could be buffed to bring parity to the Tengu or the Tengu nerfed although probably indirectly through a heavy missile range and/or damage nerf. This was mentioned over a year ago I think, and probably is a right way to go about it.

Rokh and Naga appear to be getting plenty of use in pvp now with the hybrid buffs. Caldari will not disappear from pvp and is not presently underrepresented in fleets, and would not be after a drake nerf.

The only legitimate complaint I see in this thread is the crap about the Naga being too strong in comparison to the Talos. They are different ships that will probably get used differently. Remember too that the meetings and minutes were done about a month or more ago. It is unlikely now that CCP could seriously think the Talos is weak and in need of help or the Naga op.

Basically suck it up. The Drake has managed to escape what hit the Myrm right out of the gate. Probably because there are so many of you (and here I could say me as well because I trained two characters in the Drake since it is the easy route). I look forward frankly to more tier 1 BCs, or Crusiers getting used and not being instant fodder for tier 2 BCs. And, always remember there is an inevitable cycle to this. When I started Gallente was king which lasted a long time. Then there was the Amarr rebalance and everyone wanted to fly a Zealot or Apoc (until the probing change killed sniping BS fleets) and Minmatar was bringing up the rear. Now the perception is Minmatar is king since the projectile buff. Meanwhile, Caldari has always been middling, never bottom, for pvp, and has always been king for pve, and probably will remain that way.

Best ship in the game IMHO.

wow,

The only semi useable caldari pvp boat and now they are gonna nerf this too. I don't mind nerfing if a ship is too overpowered but since when is a drake overpowered. Caldari is already the laughing stock when it comes to pvp boats not really really is nothing left.

You already killed of the only viable caldari pvp boats years ago rook/falcon.

If you do this make sure in character creation you scrap option caldari to prevent newer players to choose this race.

Ciao,

Count

If they nerfed the cynabal, maybe, just maybe i'd be ok with some some drake changes