Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Except forcing people into pvp is what the game is about and always has been.

Your post falls apart when you learn that ganking is the most nerfed activity in the game and before it was nerfed the subscriber base was much higher and growing every year. The opposite of what you think is true is happening. The more ganking gets nerfed, the smaller the playerbase gets.

Btw, you can stil pvp and be a care bear. Its a mind set and it looks like you have it.

I've talked to a lot of people in other games I play that have played eve and quit.
Basically they all say the same thing..
It's boring..
I asked why was it boring?
What did you do in game?
They said run a few missions, mined..
Got killed over and over.. I'm guessing getting ganked or wandering into low sec.. maybe by npcs too lol
They basically stayed in hi sec..
They didn't want to PvP.. yet..
But the pve side of the game is lacking..
And the ones that try and stick it out get **** on by all the assholes in hi sec.

I had a friend that started playing a while back..
He wanted to mine mainly in hi sec.. and do missions. And I helped him out every now and then.
He was happy as hell when finally got into a hulk.. he had it for like 2 days then got ganked while mining in hi sec a .6 system.
Then he quit...
You pay to play a game to enjoy yourself.. not get **** on..
There has to be checks and balances in games like eve to accommodate both groups..
Those who like to PvP and those who do not.
Because without it.. you're limiting and hurting your player base and the game won't grow.

Actually... it is. Beyond PvP in fact.

The basis of EVE's design is to bring different playstyles into conflict with one another while making them also rely on each other for support and growth.

Industry affects PVP... PvP affects industry... missions and anomalies affect both... etc.
They all interact with each other for better or worse and thus players are allowed to affect everyone equally for better or worse regardless of their chosen style of play.

Those that choose to avoid conflict are also making a choice that affects others... and, like everything else in the game, their efforts will not produce a guaranteed result.


You are correct in that high-sec was intended to be a "starting area" and a place where those who have lost everything can recoup and recover... but it was never designed to be "safe" in a contemporary sense.

High-sec was/is designed to be safer than Low-sec (which is not safe)... which is safer then Null-sec (which is a "turkey shoot")

Fun History Facts:
- CONCORD never used to exist. In fact, it was added years after the game launched.
- Suicide ganking used to be easier and cheaper by orders of magnitude.
- There is less suicide ganking now on a per-player basis than there was during the heydays of ganking some 3 to 5 years ago.
- Wars were orders of magnitude cheaper and easier to wage. You even had the occasional rookie lol-corps run by actual newbies waging war! Now it is simply too expensive and tedious for all but the most dedicated players.


Nope. They are there to punish and exact a cost for aggression in high-sec.

CONCORD was never designed to protect anyone.


Hi. My name is ShahFluffers and those are exactly the reasons I, and many in my corp, joined and have stayed with this game.


But instead the number of subscribers is stagnant and dwindling..

Because certain people come into this game, dislike it for what it is, and rather than go to another game that appeals to them more, they try making changes to this game...

... which drives off the players who do like the game for what it is and dislike those new changes...

... and, ironically, the players who asked for those changes end up leaving anyways because the core of the game is still the same (see: "Everyone versus Everyone).

EVE was never designed for a mass audience and its whimsical desires. It was made as a niche game, designed to appeal to certain players who like certain things in a game.


You pay to play a game to enjoy yourself.. not get **** on

That is called "losing." A concept that seems to have been scrubbed over in other games.

You are playing a multiplayer game. People will interact with you whether you like it or not for any reason they choose. You are no more special than they are and deserve no more special considerstion than they do.
Act accordingly within the game.

If you don't want to PVP, then a game where literally everything you do is PVP is probably not the place for you.

What makes you think the people that quit because they were ganked would stick around anyway? If one loss drives you out of the game, then how will you cope with losing a pos, or screwing up a market order, or jumping into lowsec or...?


And you know what kills sandbox games?

Taking away the sandbox.

Hm. Started out as a freighter thread, now suddenly involves newbies? Number of newbies piloting freighters ... zero times zero ... carry the zero ... nope: still zero

But yeah... +1 to this