Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While suicide ganking MAY have been "borderline cheating" as an unintended use of mechanics once, CCP made a decision, a long time ago, that it was a valid form of play, that it was fair, and that the existing systems that contain it were sufficient for how they think hisec should work.

Like it or not any new systems have to take in to account how the game actually works, not how you think the game should work. I'm sure we all have **** we don't like about the rules, but if your feature proposal is contingent on a nonexistant rules change in the first place, then you're starting at step 2, not step 1.

Why can't it be both?

So you're ignoring everything else that distinguishes them from REAL capital ships and hanging your definition solely on the parts used to build them while also conveniently excusing the use of those parts in other definitely-not-a-capital ship.

There's a skill called "Capital ships" that is required to fly "capital ships" and is NOT required to fly freighters, JFs, or Orcas.

Op, your mistake is assuming a class dictates identical or near-identical behaviors. They're only capital because of their morbidly obese size, not because of fitting capabilities.

""A ship is classified by tonnage, use and equipment. As with any engineering task you just make a list of what you need and then figure out what you can build/ afford to build, depending on that it will fall in one of the classes of the classification system you use.""

precisely because they removed TONS of player content by creating jump freighters.

Carriers also can't enter hisec, so we should ban freighters from there too. I don't see why not.
Alpha accounts are going to make terrible gankers. I think they can only squeeze out 300DPS or something from a catalyst.
Should suicide ganking be made harder though, especially this hard? With this change you basically need 3 gank fleets per freighter, one to get him to pop the hull energizer and another two to kill the freighter with CONCORD on grid. Even a conservative estimate probably puts it at twice the current fleet size.

Ganking is only lucrative because people are stupid or overconfident. What needs change is the attitude that you should be safe in hisec, not game mechanics.

Well, see, carriers are actual warships and, consequently, can use equipment designed for warships, whereas freighters are oversized steamer trunks strapped to some engines.

Well, then lets talk about this group of ships: Freighter, Jump Freighter and Bowhead. They are 'capital' equivalents of industrial ship. Yes, I will still use this word just to emphasize their difference from industrials.

You probably could easily gank unfitted industrial with just a svipul. But if you properly fit and tank industrial - even tornado won't one shot it. With freighters we now have a situation when just one nyx can one shot them. And they have incredibly limited ability for fitting: just three low slots basically without any CPU and PG. Maximum you can do is just fit 3 bulkheads. You can boost EHP of industrial ship about 10 times of its original with fitting, while for freighter class vessel it is less that 2 times.

What I would like to see - is turning ganking of freighters into fighting for freighters. Give them some sort of triage equivalent, so they can survive fast attack, but that they can't jump or dock and have to actually sit there and defend themselves, while others are fighting.

Then the gameplay for freighter would be not just evading, but actually defending assets.

This will give more fights, more wrecks and of course more content!

First of all, you are aware that giving freighters some sort of invuln/capital-level active tank DRASTICALLY increases their survivability and hurts ganking a lot. I still haven't seen any suggestions from you to balance that.
Second of all, why should I try to fight people instead of evading them? There's really no reason to bring 10 friends in combat ships when I can scout myself with a travelceptor. It's much easier for me, why do I need to yolo my freighter through gates or something to please you?
Third of all, why does it even matter if you give the freighter a super tank? If I'm a pirate I'm going to kill the escort over the thing that can't shoot back, then finish it off. A CEHE only delays the inevitable unless you win, in which case it probably doesn't matter.

So basically remove highsec suicide ganking.

Because bumping is getting nerfed apparently so if gank fails (which it will with energizer) then the freighter warps off soon after.

Dumbass carebears want no risk in this game.
Escort your freighters and stop crying.