Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is a very neat module - "Capital Emergency Hull Energizer". I think it would be very nice if freighters and jump freighters (edit: and Bowheads) could be able to fit it, since they are, technically, capital ships. And thus should have capital level of defenses.

Or maybe even better - add this ability to freighters and jump freighters as hull property. Such module will give it time for the escort defenses to arrive (if there were any) and turn simple ganking into proper fight for the freighter. Of course if the freighter is tackled and there is no support arriving it will go down in flames anyway, and it will only delay it's fate, which doesn't affect the status quo in the space where fight is allowed.

Would activating turn the freighter suspect or turn off CONCORD? Or is your intention to make freighters straight-out invulnerable in highsec?

If you are just trying to make freighter invulnerable, can you explain how you think this makes the Eve a better game?

If you already don't bother to take a single precaution to protect your freighter, would you even bother fitting this?

oh, yeah. Before I forget; all together now!

Just one more nerf and it'll be balanced!

I believe freighters should be not nerfed, but counterwise. For example, a nyx pilot can alpha a jump freighter, and I believe it ... well, shouldn't happen. I understand when a titan can one shot a capital (I've lost a carrier to that once), but a titan costs significantly more than a supercarrier. Freighters and jump freighters should need their EHP buffed significantly to survive at least alpha from a supercarrier, I think.


It will die if attackers can actually attack the freighter without breaking rules. If you can't tank sentries - you probably can't kill freighter anyway. And if you are attacked by CONCORD - this is not a real combat situation and I'd prefer to keep these scenarios out of the current discussion (while killing a ship this way is possible - it is a borderline cheating).

Thus you use them only if there is help coming, and if they have a chance to keep yourself alive. Otherwise it just delays your death.


Suicide ganking is irrelevant. I repeat, keep it out of discussion. If you want to discuss suicide ganking so badly - make a separate discussion. Thanks in advance.

It's absolutely relevant (and most certainly not "borderline cheating") and sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" does nothing to affect that fact. An emergency hull energizer fitted to a hisec freighter makes it for all practical purposes invulnerable. Full stop. I'm not sure if you're secretly campaigning for nerfing ganking or just clueless.

Rorqual lives in dangerous places where there is no CONCORD. The panic button is already probably way too overpowered, but at least is it reasonable to hold tackle on things outside of HiSec.



Have you heard of a webbing alt? Apparently not. I hear catalysts have issues attacking you while in warp.

I still can't believe how often something like this comes up. I have probably lost more ships and ISK worth of assets than most people in this thread, and yet I have never lost one of my JFs or freighters. You have to be criminally negligent to lose a freighter in Hi Sec.....

A)Scout

B)Web

C)Bulkheads

D)Check zKill, etc.

E)Have an escape cyno for JFs, Better yet, two.

There are already so many tools to prevent freighter loss in HS. If you are still losing them, you are just plain not playing attention. When it does become truly risk free, it will no longer be a profitable profession - why pay for anything when its effortless to do with zero risk? You pay for the time and expertise, but the most of the suggestions, including this one, just make it way too easy to be bad at freighting, and still actually get the cargo from point A to point B.

As a freighter pilot, I wish CCP would make HiSec more dangerous, so that people who actually learn the rules can expect to make more ISK from their efforts and specialization. It is so tilted against the ganker at this point as to be comedic, but not as comedic as the calls for 'one more nerf'.

Please look one post above yours where a freighter pilot tells you, again, how to not die.

Then ask anyone from red frog or pushx how they have something like a 95% successful delivery rate.

Then ask anyone involved in ganking about security tags. (Hint: none of the people I've ever spoken to bother with them)

Then look at my killboard, I haven't ganked in years. Nice try though! My alliance tag is clearly relevant to the discussion!

If ganking is so easy, why do any freighters at all still get through? I'm not a freighter pilot myself, but I use freighter services extensively. Never seen a contract fail through either of those groups, or the gsf internal groups. How is this possible if ganking is so easy?

They can have a doomsday device used on them. That be a capital.

The biggest difference between normal caps and freighters is that good capital pilots will lose caps, and good freighter pilots will never lose a freighter.

I know the first because I am a good capital pilot, and I know the latter because I am a good freighter pilot. Good capital pilots will put their ships into combat where the sheer damage being done ensures some loss. Good freighter pilots will never be red boxed.

Honestly they need to make freighters much easier to gank. It's simply too easy to prevent an accident.