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Question from someone who's not terribly familiar with ganking: How many tornado pilots does it take to effectively deter 1 bumper with 3 bump stabbers in a system ready to go in succession?

Seems unless the bumper is the kind soul who waits for the criminal timer to expire you're going to have to roll characters on anti-bumping duty before even factoring sec status issues over time.

I'm reading all these posts about the sky is falling from gankers because the EHP is up on the Orca, yet all the recent killboard examples of high EHP Orca kills in high sec now are during war, not ganks. All the observed ganks are on Orca configs with other fitting tradeoffs like max cargo. The EHP change seems like a zero negative impact change on observed actual high sec gameplay.

Bumping will be a much bigger source of harassment if CCP still doesn't fix it. It's a 1-account, 1-player activity that can stop a group activity. Now bumping with a single Stabber or Mach can prevent an Orca pilot from doing their role as a hauler. (You can bump an Orca 100km+) With the November mechanics, optimized bumping will prevent Orca pilots from doing their roles as hauler, fleet booster and maybe the new roles of fleet defender or miner. (Both a stabber and mach can bump an Orca out of the new 50km max range for boosting -- and potentially too far for drones to operate in a usable way). An Orca pilot will mine or do other gameplay if all their roles are impossible to perform when another player is disrupting the fleet.

All the calls to suicide the bumper assumes miners have 10-50 suicide cat accounts waiting to login and come to the rescue, and that they can chase down a speed-optimized bumping ship. CCP will have to give these gank accounts to miners for free if they want that to be normal gameplay and the counter to minerbumping.

That 17 minutes is including the increased ore hold. Currently I can use 4 non-maxed hulks to fill a skill-V Miasmos (63K m3 ore hold) in about 5 cycles (350 seconds).

The idea of a mobile compressor unit, expendable or otherwise, is an interesting one. I for one would probably use one quite a bit.

For anyone who has not checked, 800DPS is with 'Augmented' Hammerheads and 2 Officer DDAs

You seem to have missed the part where I was referring to HIGHSEC , where it's impossible to light a cyno, champ.

Very very wrong. You don't have a clue about high sec mechanics.

Oh....my....gods! *Tears of joy* My beautiful ships! I was so afraid of the changes....but they're....perfect! Now I can actually fit the MWD WITHOUT implants (or sacrificing cargohold)! I can add a better tank, and maybe even run both! I can run even more links, or tractor beams or, or, or...

And they even reduced the mass! As a wormholer, who uses Orcas for transport... that's a lifesaver. Thank you, CCP! I look forward to it!

actually many times...and anyone worth half their salt is using skiffs n procs to mine out entire ice anoms in an hour or less. So a slow orca with drones will get a couple blocks before the procs n skiffs have chewed the rest.

If this works and the orca comes close at mining with drones to a boosted exhumer without drones, then i will replace my 5 skiffs with orcas and don't think about mining burst range any more.
How long would it take, to fill up one orca then. Can somebody do the math please? I'm not god at this.

You sound as if people don't have 4 orca's fit like this laying around already lol.....

Like the EHP rants too. They'd be the 2 to 3 t2 rigs hull tank ones. Bulkhead and DCU II lows as well....no cargo mods for you. With shield dual tank so mids also shot for anything else.

These live to haul, and are gimped for anything else. With the downside carrying capacity is reduced. You can 5 the rig skill but pyfa/eft says not a do or die train really. YOu've gimped, accept and move on really.

These also extended from the success of gankers. They want to whine, they should not have been as effective really. With the changes and these meant to be on belts ccp realized for 0.0 use if a t1 dessie party well run can kill these little issue....they needed some more ass to soak up the hits for 0.0 where hunters spend a bit more to get more dps.

They don't have concord to worry about....they splurge on shooty ships. empire is just getting the side benefit of an Orca meant to not be easy killing for 0.0 roams will also be a pita in empire as well. CCP had no choice here really. Orca in its current state would have issues out in the open.

heard the 700 mil rants. These if they release as is in blog won't be 700 mil ships. This is a limited production area. Sellers can set the prices. JNot all indy markets are cut throat rock bottom making a few mil over production costs. Especially the ones like this were production is complicated.

If this orca delivers even half as well as I expect it too prices may rise and yes...people will pay. Hell not even a miner and eyeing funky stuff to do with my orca (nice for moving around a small ship pve setups like pirate cruiser or t3) if all these changes reach gold disk stage.