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[November] Introducing the Porpoise

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Shamsher Bahadur
State War Academy
Caldari State
#81 - 2016-10-05 16:49:07 UTC
The only issue I have is a superficial one, i.e, the porpoise looks too much like the noctis and does not conform with the standard mining color scheme of ORE ships.

I hope that the hull is redesigned to a new shape as soon as can be implemented as the noctis hull is quite popular and does not stand for mining
Claire -58x
Doomheim
#82 - 2016-10-05 17:05:55 UTC

Gas mining drones?

If not gas harvesting mod slots?

Mining drone amplifier mods?

Is it possible to pick a different, as in new and pretty designed, hull :-/
Ju0ZaS
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2016-10-05 18:38:28 UTC
Another Primae/Noctis hull. CCP is bad at making unique ship hulls. As with most t2 hulls too, just change the paint on an existing one, slap another name and call it a day. =/

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Denngarr B'tarn
Bitter Creek Testing Industrial SA
#84 - 2016-10-05 18:53:44 UTC
Any chance of getting a Rig or Mid slot / high slot module that allows us to compress in the ore hold?

I know we have that on the Industrial Core in the Rorq, but I'd like something (maybe with charges) that allows us to compress ore in a Porpoise or Orca and keep the ship out on grid longer.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#85 - 2016-10-05 19:05:16 UTC
Two things. Lock time is horrible and speed is sh*t. Other than that I love this thing in every way and itd have a lot of interesting uses.

200m/s at least. Scan res needs to be in the base 400mm range. Let me play with this thing at least instead of prenerfing into the ground!!Twisted

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PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
#86 - 2016-10-05 21:15:40 UTC
Denngarr B'tarn wrote:
Any chance of getting a Rig or Mid slot / high slot module that allows us to compress in the ore hold?

I know we have that on the Industrial Core in the Rorq, but I'd like something (maybe with charges) that allows us to compress ore in a Porpoise or Orca and keep the ship out on grid longer.


I kinda like the idea of a mini-compressor with the cost of consumable charges, but there whould be an opportunity cost to it that impacts other meaningful functionality. Like, make it a highslot so you'd have to trade off a tractor or something
Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#87 - 2016-10-05 22:02:22 UTC
love the concept and the use of the primae hull.

ship has cool stats. not a ton of ore hold, but for a solo miner, you dont need t2 strippers and crystals to burn out.

target roid, and kill.

nice for a cruiser sized ship
Flash E Gordon
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#88 - 2016-10-05 22:40:40 UTC
Well I have noticed once it's in full mining mode, There's not crap for offense or defense. Being a null MIner, I would prefer a lil less cargo space and a bit more of a deterrant
but then again Your not building ships for null
Flash
Decaneos
Casalt Corp
CAStabouts
#89 - 2016-10-06 00:59:49 UTC
Well the same can be said for any mining ship, risk vs reward again.

Phopptimus Prime
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#90 - 2016-10-06 01:53:18 UTC
Hasbro did the thing to me in the 80's where they repainted an old thing and called it a new thing and then resold it to me. Didn't enjoy it when they did it to me with the Transformers, don't like it with the Noctis/Porpoise. If it's going to be a different t1 BPO, then it should be a different ship.

Once the ship model is Naturalized(de-colored) to put on the BPO icon it will be damn near identical to the Noctis... That won't be confusing at all. I realize it's too late to change but consider this a whoopsie and fix it at some point please.

Doesn't make sense to have the Porpoise be a t2 invent off the Noctis as none of the other mining director/foreman ships are t2... i get that... but ugh

Take some cargo pods from the Orca/Rorq, slap the spiny glowy core from the Prowler on it somewhere, add some grindy/pistony/fire'y bits and keep the front/hind quarters of the current noctis.... Tada.

Love what you've done with the stats and the story of the Porpoise, Orca and Roraqal.. just disappointed in this one thing.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2016-10-06 02:09:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Brokk Witgenstein
Oh waw. A logi battlecruiser with some real nice damage output; should run the numbers on that but Blaster Ferox + Porpoise fleet has potential!

Edit: why is everyone else in this thread talking about mining???
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2016-10-06 03:02:45 UTC
+1 on the wishing for a new hull design bandwagon.
Darth Bex
Boundless Exploration
#93 - 2016-10-06 03:52:08 UTC
I made a thread in the ideas discussion on the need for a hauler that could traverse frigate sized wormholes with a 5,000 m3 hold only to be shouted down by all and sundry. A year later the Porpoise is coming and I'm feeling pretty vindicated.

That aside, this is a great addition for W-Space in particular. It adds a degree of utility that didn't previously exist and at such an affordable price I hope to see plenty of them providing on grid boosts for their mining fleets.

WP CCP

Disciple of Bob
Rhaegon Aesir
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2016-10-06 10:50:50 UTC
If you're going to give us ice mining drones, is there a reason not to give gas mining drones too ? I really like the idea of thrones porpoise for wormhole space. With its dps drones and remote rep capability it would nicely augment a small fleet of tanky ventures or prospects...except that it doesn't seem to have any gas mining capability.

So the porpoise can mine ice with its fleet, it can mine ore with its fleet, but if it wants to support a gas mining fleet...it cant do anything except sit there and provide boosts. And let's be real here, in wormholes gas mining is far more common than ice or ore mining.

Please CCP, don't forget us wormholers again :(
Marox Calendale
Xynodyne
The Initiative.
#95 - 2016-10-06 10:52:01 UTC
Joten Koldani wrote:
But can it mine gas?

That is the great question. With its ability to jump threw small size wormholes it would be perfect for gas harvesting fleets. But with only 4 High Slots it would harvest less gas in any configuration than a Gnosis.

An additional Role Bonus like Venture and Prospect have would be perfect though.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#96 - 2016-10-06 11:07:08 UTC
Icarus Narcissus wrote:
I would love to see gas mining drones -- especially for this ship in wormhole space.

I think they'd see a lot more use here than on Orcas/Rorquals thanks to their low mass.


This is a good suggestion.

Either gas mining drones unique to the porpoise or give the porpoise a couple of turrets and a bonus to gas mining (or one with a big bonus)

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Duran Predur
Minmatar Secret Service
Ushra'Khan
#97 - 2016-10-06 11:40:15 UTC
Applejack Daniel's wrote:
90 scan res? The Naglfar has 85, did you forget a digit there somewhere or is there some reason this ship needs the lock time of a dreadnought?

Oh! The mining operation is under attack, just hold on for 20 seconds while I lock up that frigate.


Prelock those of your fleetmates who will need your shield boosting, assist your fighting drones to a relatively fastlocking barge/exhumer. Dont need high scanres if you plan to face a dangerous situation!
Brown Pathfinder
Black Spot on Parchment
#98 - 2016-10-06 11:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Brown Pathfinder
Love the bonuses! Only complaints from a first look is it needs more cargo and ore space.
Will go and test it out when I get home Smile
Would be fun to see how it fairs vs non k-space combat scenarios.
Malthuras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2016-10-06 11:48:36 UTC
I'm very interested to see the porpoise, but please for the love of wormholers out there (and low sec harvesters too) add gas mining drones. I can understand why you don't want to add turret slots (because mining drones and strip miners are OP on the porpoise) so please give us something else. Its kinda disheartening to see ore and ice get all the attention while gas remains the black sheep of the harvesting world.
StaticViolence
Game.Theory
GameTheory
#100 - 2016-10-06 17:57:26 UTC  |  Edited by: StaticViolence
CCP Fozzie wrote:
PORPOISE
Industrial Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):


Shouldn't it use the ORE Industrial skill instead of Industrial Command Ship? Seems like it should have a similar skill requirement to the noctis (since they're the same hull), not the orca (since its the next tier of ship hull in the line).