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Boost strength
Can only use 2 command bursts
Tractor range and speed
Cargo hold of 500 vs 37.5k
No SMB
5k vs 40k fleet hangar
EHP

But that doesn't really mean much since it's up against the new Orca.

Edit: missread and missed that you were asking about skill differences specifically

It draws benefit from the same skill so probably not going to be a difference there barring another change.

No excuse. If its their job, they can crank out something quickly day after day. You might take 10 hours to draw a few boxes and flowers, but good artists can get an almost payworthy sketch crapped out in 30 minutes.


This is what design progression looks like.
http://www.startrek.com/article/designing-the-defiant

I'd flip a sigil upside down, split the carapace part down the middle and open it up, Add some crab legs to the existing ruts on the sides that curl downward toward the split area, Add a high neck bridge on the back that looks like an aircraft carrier sort and call it a day.. if I was that lazy.

Or you could buy them from other players willing to ship thme out there, or create a buy order or contract, etc.

You know, if you care about player economy and interaction, which you seem to do in the same breath you claim it was easier to get BPO's without any help.


I'd rather they have a sort of mobile mining platform that is player controlled. Think of it like the battleship or dread version of the mining sector.

this theoretical mining platform is an wide and flat thing, like that one stealth bomber but without the crab legs.

It moves and aligns like or worse than a basic impel.

But it has room for six strip miners. These 6 strip miners have penalties to yield, but they will gather 50% more volume than any of the other ships.

Being so slow and helpless of a target, it needs a group for protection. So its definitely a corp asset.

What makes this idea great is it can get the roids that have 1/4th or less of the maximum ores left in it, so it can work on those roids that would be inefficient to waste mining time on for ore ships with higher yield per laser.


It improves efficiency of people working together on a mechanical level, not even a balance based level, like most ship tweaks are, it itself is a nice boost of income that is dangerous and not profitable without support (aka a corp) .


That's what good game changes should be like most of the time, improving the mechanical aspect of gameplay through cooperative gameplay without actually touching any buffs or nerfs.

On the subject of relevancy, bestower is pretty awful. Sure it can hold the most cargo but then you're a huge gank target with that paper armor. The sigil outclasses it in every other way, and its kind of ironic that the bestower, which is the variant of the impel has such terrible fitting specs and armor, while the sigil excels in fitting specs, armor, speed, and basically everything BUT hold.

Most people should rather cargohold expand a sigil than try to tank a bestower.

First impressions:

Thanks for an Industrial Command Ship that can get into the smaller sized shattered wormholes.

I'd concur with the comments that since it has to be on-grid to boost it would be nice if the porpoise could contribute to a gas mining op -- either with drones or high-slot gas mining modules. Gas mining should get equal treatment feature-wize with ore and ice. (The tooltips for the gas mining modules could also be brought up to have the same info as ice/ore do so you can see the benefit of fleet boost. Now they omit cycle time and mining amount.)

I'd also concur with the comments that 5000 is small for a fleet hold. If you mine ice and have to drag to the ore hold every 5 ice that's a lot of dragging. Especially if the ships that are loading you fit 10-25 ice.

It would be nice if it had a module that could compress ice in the WH or there was some way to do that. Otherwise it basically hauls as much as a Miasmos and less than a DST (which means you're flying out of the WH to unload and breaking boost pretty often). You can't put a POS, Citadel or Rorq in the smaller shattered wh's to compress ice.

Also, as the Noctis did receive a mention (in the role of support tractor beams), I'd like to make a point...

Specifically, to judge by the sell order prices spiking, it's looking like Noctis purchases are falling off... most likely due to how much more of a viable option to the single account player the MTU represents.

Can we expect a rebalancing of the Noctis in the future to address these apparently obvious short-comings?

I'm confused how does the length per boost have anything to do with the duration of the mining operation? its there to make sure you need to be in belt (cant just warp in boost warp off) you will have enough ammo in the link to run for five hours



why? right now orcas only run 3 links (two mining one shield) after this you now have 3 more to put reps in. (no one is going to use tractors, no one has since the mtu)

just the fact that it becomes a much more sizeable isk sink to be constantly running through the ammo for mining bursts when everyone's on grid for hours at a time vs combat where it's typically resolved in just a few minutes. This is why I feel that mining bursts should (very reasonably imo) have a much longer duration for their effects.

500 charges will cost around 125k isk, take up 5m3 of space, and last for about 8 hours (oh noes! you'll need to reload at about the 5 hour mark!)

if 125k isk is a major isk sink for you, you're doing it wrong.

I also love the idea of it going into a small shattered
Except it is a shield boosting ship designed to allow it to go into small shattered holes where they get roughly a 50% reduction in shield resistances because of the Wolf-Rayet effect.
Seems very counter-intuitive...