Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So I decided to engage a small/medium fleet of frigs in my VNI. I knew I would be sacrificing it but taking a few along with me at least and I dare say a good enough trade for choosing to suicide my ship to a blob.

How did that work out ?

You guessed it, not a single way to do jackshit, due to that odd insta-permajam griffin sitting way beyond.

So, MANY are with me here in thinking that enough is enough. An effective counter to ECM needs to happen, in the same run as Off-grid boosting, or else any solo/smaller roaming potential this game has will be flying out the window soon, once all the newbies coming November realize it's no use to undock if you're just gunna get the jam ...

Solid ideas worth mentioning are :

1.Make only the source jam ship lockable. So to at least be able to defend yourself...

2. Make it so it reduces Max Lockable targets to 1 instead of 0.

Any other mention it here, and I'll add them to the list.

Hopefully this time CCP listens.

Thanks

Use sensor booster with ECCM Scripts, you'll get more chance to resist ECM.
That's what they are made for, but since nobody want to use SEBO to protect against ECM, they all cry about ECM, because they made the choice not to use SEBO.

And, since ECM is chance based, we can say you are out of luck

Drones are indeed a good deterrant, the only good one imo, unless, the ECM ship sits comfortably out of drone range, and as it is the case most the time... or you happen to like flying gunboats...

Having to sacrifice on shiptype, tanking, dps, slots to increase drone range in the likely event of that specific situation, or use ECCM modules, or be forced into using any modules for it, isn't really much of an efficient argument to bring for countering ECM when roaming around against gang, and even with all the specific skills trained up. It all dont matter much as the ECM ship bonuses and stackings are still way too powerful to be able to make a difference.

So they lose nothing, and you lose a ship worth 10x more and willing to sacrifice for a total return of 0.

It's still too easy. While the Counter options you have in return only cripple you as a target, theres next to nothing on their end they could remotely feel threatened with, if not another hostile fleet their size with ECM ships .....

If theres at least one thing could be tweaked to keep the ECM fanbois happy would the timers, for instance a 10sec max roof for all ECMs would be a start and have some window of opportunity for at least 1 shot fired into something ....

Please explain why you feel ECM should be nerfed into uselessness, when the end result would be a frigate sitting that far out with sensor damps on you instead?

How can you simultaneously say ECM should not be nerfed and call for a massive nerf to ECM?

First of all, your base assumption is pretty bold. Unless they were all wearing big floppy clownshoes, it's unlikely you would have scored a single kill, even in the absence of ECM.



Er... since, as you described it, it sounds like this was a purely elective battle for you, did you not size them up at all before engaging?

Would you be less dead if they had just damped you out? Would you really feel better if you got off a few pointless shots that were easily outrepped by their logi?

Your post basically says that you think the game should be changed because you took a truly idiotic fight and got stomped in a completely predictable fashion.



There are also signal amplifiers, which go in low slots. IIRC, they are basically as good as an unscripted sebo - lower scan res bonus, but same/similar targeting range and ECCM effects.

Well, had around 3 atrons circling me at 2000m.

And I wouldve blaped at least 2, if not all three before going down.

Had ECM not been so much the issue described above.

Idiotic fight you say ? Each man to his opinion I suppose.

Yep. Idiotic fight.

You also were not in a VNI - it was a normal vexor.

Because of tiny space noodles, obviously.

The less time you spend using ECM ingame and posting in my pointless threads, the happier I get actually.