EVE General Discussion

One side does have an ever growing body of evidence to back them up though.

in my oppinion this game costs far too much money, especially if your running multiple accounts, there also needs to be some more emersive features like some real audio and videos from the agents and missions, to bring EVE to life and give you an idea of each factions characteristics, and personalities. because reading is, well OUT of Date.

I completely disagree. They probably haven't raised the subscription fee during the whole time and considering rising development costs etc, that's something to keep in mind. Other developers/publishers go with F2P, cash in (via whales) and then the game dies after 1-2 years. In SP games, they charge you full price + microtransactions to cover costs (and there is greedy scum like "current state" Blizzard who just want more and more money). Raise the subscription fee and you lose subs because it becomes too expensive, lower them and you don't earn enough money. From my point of view, their marketing team should target people 20+ to make them aware of the game (and also show that just because it's old, the graphics aren't so). If I wasn't a general game enthusiast, I would have never heard of the game. Heck, before 2010 I didn't even know it existed while WoW had commercials running on TV years earlier and other MMOGs at least got talked about.
You don't need videos for something to be more atmospheric. That would just be a waste of resources. Atmosphere is created by a lot of different factors and videos would only play a really, really small part in it (and it could even be negative in case of a bad voice actor).
I'm not sure on what planet you live but I guarantee you that on planet Earth, reading is not outdated.

If I recall I was paying 200 Mill at one time which allowed me to float a few accounts. While skyrocketing prices at one point did result in me canceling multiple accounts I don't believe the price of Plex is the major factor of player loss, but is a contributing factor, like many of eve's mechanics. The unwillingness to adapt to attract and keep new customers, catering to a specific segment of the player base and marketing themselves to the most anti-social behavior crowd probably weighs more on this. Also removing the ability to use isboxer was another blow. Eve game mechanics push players into having multiple accounts, taking the ability to use them efficiently lost some customers. Again not a 'huge' blow but it contributes.


Eve chose to appeal to a super niche player base and market themselves to a player 'type' that the majority of online gamers simply want nothing to do with. The marketing video that glorified befriending people for long periods of time as to bring yourself into a position where you have access to corporation funds/inventory with the intention to steal years of peoples hard work is a good example. While I'm all for PvP and risk I would not want to associate with any person that find that type of behavior appealing nor do I think most players do.

When you combine that with an extremely poor new user experience, poor conversion and retention rates you are headed for rough times. They have tried to compensate for this by putting in mechanics to squeeze more and more money out of single customer. The new 'injector' attempts to push new players into spending even more money at the start of their eve experience. Push that plex! (want to increase your conversions on buying injectors? Give new players an injector to start with.) The average player is not going to spend this type of money to start a 'new' game experience. They are not going to spend hundreds on plex to purchase a pilot off the bazaar either. I did find it absolutely hilarious that there was a claim that injectors was a to 'respec'. Give me a break. This is no way, shape or form a respec. Most of my pilots are all over 50M SP I will NEVER use these injectors! A real way to fully respec I would LOVE to see.

I've just recently returned after over a year break purely because a friend of mine started a trial I gave him over a year ago. I could not just let him face the vastness and complexity of Eve by himself. I can tell you that if I would not of re-upped my subscription and helped him by his own words "I would of quit the first day" . The new user experience still needs work.

I can honestly say I'm not very impressed by changes since I last played. Well let me take that back, somewhat. This throne event was nice. Little sites I could get in quick and get something done in 10 minutes was good. I don't have much time to sit down anymore for long game sessions so this was an interesting and nice change. Also, as a wormhole dweller, the new citadels are awesome! Living out of the pos was a nightmare and pos management was utterly horrible. Seriously, sometimes it made me want to put my fist through the monitor. In the end though I'll probably stick around for a couple months (assuming my buddy continues to play) and then I'll be gone again. I have no desire to be nickle and dimmed to try and make up for the dwindling customer base.

Adapt or Die.

Yet it does, you missed out the concept of revenge.

"Wow someone just blew up everything I've worked for over the past two weeks! Gonna hunt that mofo down and kill his ass!" *sub*

Worked for me, inherited 2 of his corpses from my first character; took me a year, revenge is a dish best served cold.

Maybe you have heard of the old adage, don't put all your eggs in one basket?

Seriously stop being imprudent. Once you are imprudent and somebody notices they will take advantage of it.

Stop blaming the game and look to your own decisions and behavior. You lost everything because you screwed up.

You have watched too much of Hollywood movies when you were child.... Not many people really ready to spend effort for 'revenge'. Else we would have completely different world

You forgot the training queue of 24 hours, the unlimited training gueue as well.

The removal of learning skills was a good thing. Now instead of training a horribly boring set of skills, people can move one. SP trading has been in the game and was known as character trading. And seriously, players online stopped growing in 2011 because at some point in the future T3 destroyers were going to be in the game?

The game, in terms of characters online, stopped growing around 2011. It wasn't until mid 2013 that the trend became negative. Most of your list post dates this change in trend.

I think that's a little bit the reverse of the normal argument.

It normally goes something like this:

Post A: Ganking is killing Eve (and all the various versions of that theme)
Post B: Eve was growing when ganking was easier/more common.etc.

Post B is rarely used as justification for why numbers are now falling. It's mostly used as a counter to carebear whiners who claim ganking is the reason for the decline, ignoring all other changes.

Its post 2011 that the decline happened so thats where we need to look.

What we have seen is the removal of a lot of content, all of it just about PvP content and almost all of it from highsec. For example ninja salvaging is gone, an easy to get into activity that new players could do. Jetcan piracy is gone, this was once huge and provided a lot of content. Targeted merc wars are now all but impossible which has removed a lot of content. Mining barge piracy is gone, again, a lot of content went out of the door with that.

There is less to do today in EVE, a lot less, than 6 years ago.