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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#1221 - 2016-09-28 01:17:06 UTC
Can I chime in here and say that logistics cruisers (especially in highsec) are very easy to counter. It's not hard to send them suspect and if you can get 12* friends along in nado's and 1 in a rapier that aren't even at war (or at war works too just up it to 18* nados and sit at 110)

Also I wouldn't have taken either fight in question here. Not with the usual ships anyways. 250km quick align/warp nagas or petes is about all I'd have looked at it with on a citadel while vastly outnumbered and then only to troll a little

*Figures are based on lower skill pilots and the tankiest of logistics cruisers. Can be done with lesser numbers

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Natural CloneKiller
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#1222 - 2016-09-28 04:23:18 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Just to chime in on all of the elitism going on here. VMG..you DO remember the little fleet we had for that first fort when this war started right..you know, the one you did not show up for. It was the right call. Also, when aggressed in Niarja and was going to lose, you ran off and docked before the fleet arrived. Again, a wise choice. Retreating from a fight you cannot win is not a loss..you do it, we do it..we all do it. What's a loss is trying to fight when you know you can't win..just as you have done as well. So please..enough of the egotistic elitism thinking you "won" a battle because the other side chose wisely not to fight ..just as you do. Keep in mind, the only difference between bravery and stupidity is the outcome. Fighting a fight that's suicide is not bravery, it's stupidity. I know you know this.

There are a lot of VMG members I like..and some who are my friends (bet you didn't know that :) ). The bottom line is, and you know this all too well, you fight when you can and regroup when you can't. It is the way of things and the way of a good strategy. I couldn't care less about the epeen waving or testosterone. A fact is a fact.

There is a lot more I could get into here but I'll spare the readers the BS and myself the arguments of futility from those who won't agree. I will say, however..this did not turn out like you expected did it. You see, Sol has been feeding you BS from the start. Truth is, he really doesn't know..unless ofc we want him to "know".

Let's cut the BS plz. We are both better than that..at least I would hope so. Blink

Also, perhaps try a fight w/o 3 logi per member..it's whole new ball game..then you actually have to fit wisely..rather than shiny and depend on neutrals to keep you alive. But hey, I'm not judging. Smile


Agree. Blue balling is a valid strategy. It drives the opposition mad lol. Nullified and wastes their time. We were just under the impression there was going to be the same number. As our reputation was also on the line something had to be done. In fact a valid strategy for me would be to blue ball all fleet fights and just replace the structure for the clients each time until the fleets dropped in size and then I would smash them.

As for the logi. If you find a vmg pilot without their logi I'll ask them to kindly move on or never repeat. It will always be our way of flying. It enables you to get out if needed or to take a fight you would normally not be able to.

What I don't like is this Jane Galt coming out with lies to either troll or stir the pot.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1223 - 2016-09-28 04:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Dom Arkaral
Natural CloneKiller wrote:


As for the logi. If you find a vmg pilot without their logi I'll ask them to kindly move on or never repeat. It will always be our way of flying. It enables you to get out if needed or to take a fight you would normally not be able to.


you guys are literally the only dudes flying with a 1/3 dps to logi ratio.
it's pretty dumb that you need logi to survive instead of knowledge and skill Roll

edit: grr filters

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Tig3r Styl3
Doomheim
#1224 - 2016-09-28 07:21:59 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:


As for the logi. If you find a vmg pilot without their logi I'll ask them to kindly move on or never repeat. It will always be our way of flying. It enables you to get out if needed or to take a fight you would normally not be able to.


you guys are literally the only dudes flying with a 1/3 dps to logi ratio.
it's pretty dumb that you need logi to survive instead of knowledge and skill Roll

edit: grr filters



thats what i am saying..they dont have skills to surivve.. using boost alts, Logis, slave set and think this is a good pvp fight..
every noob corp in low sec could beat this guys. but they are more scared about their pots and their killboard...lolz
Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#1225 - 2016-09-28 07:23:31 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:


As for the logi. If you find a vmg pilot without their logi I'll ask them to kindly move on or never repeat. It will always be our way of flying. It enables you to get out if needed or to take a fight you would normally not be able to.


you guys are literally the only dudes flying with a 1/3 dps to logi ratio.
it's pretty dumb that you need logi to survive instead of knowledge and skill Roll

edit: grr filters


Dumb that we need logi to survive. How does Logi equal knowledge and or skill? Apparantly our isk destroyed as well as our efficiency are the highest among all mercs. What does this say? Maybe that we have the knowledge/skill AND supplemental logi to make sure we do the best job of said mercs.

Maybe it's time for the rest to get to our level?
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1226 - 2016-09-28 07:36:39 UTC
Luukje wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:


As for the logi. If you find a vmg pilot without their logi I'll ask them to kindly move on or never repeat. It will always be our way of flying. It enables you to get out if needed or to take a fight you would normally not be able to.


you guys are literally the only dudes flying with a 1/3 dps to logi ratio.
it's pretty dumb that you need logi to survive instead of knowledge and skill Roll

edit: grr filters


Dumb that we need logi to survive. How does Logi equal knowledge and or skill? Apparantly our isk destroyed as well as our efficiency are the highest among all mercs. What does this say? Maybe that we have the knowledge/skill AND supplemental logi to make sure we do the best job of said mercs.

Maybe it's time for the rest to get to our level?

take away all the logi alts and I bet you're as good as any other group lol
I never flew with logi, instead I flew with my brain.

And before you complain about my 2 losses whilst I was in merc corps, we call those "learning experiences"

And lastly, I have respect for all Merc groups, except yours... because they don't blatantly lie or try to make the others bend the knee because :elitism: and 1/3 dps-logi ratios XD

Hire ATYPE, they don't need a crapload of logi to win, they kill citas (protected by others who fail to show up), and they have fun like no one else

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Doomheim
#1227 - 2016-09-28 07:44:52 UTC
Luukje wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:


As for the logi. If you find a vmg pilot without their logi I'll ask them to kindly move on or never repeat. It will always be our way of flying. It enables you to get out if needed or to take a fight you would normally not be able to.


you guys are literally the only dudes flying with a 1/3 dps to logi ratio.
it's pretty dumb that you need logi to survive instead of knowledge and skill Roll

edit: grr filters


Dumb that we need logi to survive. How does Logi equal knowledge and or skill? Apparantly our isk destroyed as well as our efficiency are the highest among all mercs. What does this say? Maybe that we have the knowledge/skill AND supplemental logi to make sure we do the best job of said mercs.

Maybe it's time for the rest to get to our level?



man what are you talking about??? you really live in your own world. noone cares about your isk/efficency.
Back at the days Privateers, Orphanage, Repo did a better Jobs than you every will. All the good guys left the empire or the game thats the reason why you can do your stuff there.

stop talking here and hide behind your killboard....
Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#1228 - 2016-09-28 07:47:49 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Luukje wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:


As for the logi. If you find a vmg pilot without their logi I'll ask them to kindly move on or never repeat. It will always be our way of flying. It enables you to get out if needed or to take a fight you would normally not be able to.


you guys are literally the only dudes flying with a 1/3 dps to logi ratio.
it's pretty dumb that you need logi to survive instead of knowledge and skill Roll

edit: grr filters


Dumb that we need logi to survive. How does Logi equal knowledge and or skill? Apparantly our isk destroyed as well as our efficiency are the highest among all mercs. What does this say? Maybe that we have the knowledge/skill AND supplemental logi to make sure we do the best job of said mercs.

Maybe it's time for the rest to get to our level?

take away all the logi alts and I bet you're as good as any other group lol
I never flew with logi, instead I flew with my brain.

And before you complain about my 2 losses whilst I was in merc corps, we call those "learning experiences"

And lastly, I have respect for all Merc groups, except yours... because they don't blatantly lie or try to make the others bend the knee because :elitism: and 1/3 dps-logi ratios XD

Hire ATYPE, they don't need a crapload of logi to win, they kill citas (protected by others who fail to show up), and they have fun like no one else


Take away the logi alts and you suddenly have 80 dps ships up in ur face; then suddenly we'd outnumber the dps on grid from high sec groups by a mile. Twist and turn all you want; you can't deny we are effective as **** with all the logi Blink

And about flying with that brain part; you really think it requires 0 skill to do what we do? if it does, then why does noone do it as well as we do in high sec? We've all come from major null/wh entities before our HS days, we've all been there only having 1 toon and having to kite and what not. We just upgraded along the way.

Bending the knee, i'd say we're trying to school retards all around us, mainly those camping hub stations, as they dont seem to get you get more isk destroyed when ur NOT camping a hub station, coss all the big stuff stays docked or redocks. Anyway i'm probally talking to a thick concrete wall, since we're in hub-camping central here on these parts of the forums.

Stay small o/
Savoycabbage
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1229 - 2016-09-28 07:50:19 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Luukje wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:


As for the logi. If you find a vmg pilot without their logi I'll ask them to kindly move on or never repeat. It will always be our way of flying. It enables you to get out if needed or to take a fight you would normally not be able to.


you guys are literally the only dudes flying with a 1/3 dps to logi ratio.
it's pretty dumb that you need logi to survive instead of knowledge and skill Roll

edit: grr filters


Dumb that we need logi to survive. How does Logi equal knowledge and or skill? Apparantly our isk destroyed as well as our efficiency are the highest among all mercs. What does this say? Maybe that we have the knowledge/skill AND supplemental logi to make sure we do the best job of said mercs.

Maybe it's time for the rest to get to our level?

take away all the logi alts and I bet you're as good as any other group lol
I never flew with logi, instead I flew with my brain.

And before you complain about my 2 losses whilst I was in merc corps, we call those "learning experiences"

And lastly, I have respect for all Merc groups, except yours... because they don't blatantly lie or try to make the others bend the knee because :elitism: and 1/3 dps-logi ratios XD

Hire ATYPE, they don't need a crapload of logi to win, they kill citas (protected by others who fail to show up), and they have fun like no one else


In what way is bringing logi a sign of weakness? That's like saying that an army should fight without a medics or even first aid kits. Fighting anything bigger than solo should bring logi, that's just common sense. And something that anywhere other than hisec would be considered the norm.

Oh, and I'm glad you fight with your brain. At least it gets used for something cos it sure as hell gets forgotten when posting
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1230 - 2016-09-28 08:04:08 UTC
Luukje wrote:
you can't deny we are effective as **** with all the logi Blink

because you have logi
but hey it only takes a small PL gang to make you cower in fear XD

[/quote]And about flying with that brain part; you really think it requires 0 skill to do what we do? if it does, then why does noone do it as well as we do in high sec? [/quote]
Because no one really cares about losses except epeen heavy groups lol
all the merc groups I was in had priorities in this order: fun>win>everything else
yours is more like this: waving win>hiding>trying to bring friends to look badder>everything else
Everyone I know does this for plain fun, not for winning or losing (although winning is a nice thing)

[/quote]Bending the knee, i'd say we're trying to school retards all around us [/quote]
Oh like those Jen en Marland keeps killing? Lol

[/quote]mainly those camping hub stations [/quote]
I have yet to see you ladies more than 2j from Jita, and to be fair, your kb lately is worse than any other merc group (like those you decced). It's almost as if you were actually scared about getting dethroned Lol
Must be real hard to not shoot all the blingies on the undock eh? especially since they could all be bait Lol


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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1231 - 2016-09-28 08:05:04 UTC
Savoycabbage wrote:


In what way is bringing logi a sign of weakness? That's like saying that an army should fight without a medics or even first aid kits. Fighting anything bigger than solo should bring logi, that's just common sense. And something that anywhere other than hisec would be considered the norm.

Oh, and I'm glad you fight with your brain. At least it gets used for something cos it sure as hell gets forgotten when posting

I have yet to see an army having 3 medics for every infantryman lmao

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Tig3r Styl3
Doomheim
#1232 - 2016-09-28 08:17:46 UTC
Savoycabbage wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Luukje wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:


As for the logi. If you find a vmg pilot without their logi I'll ask them to kindly move on or never repeat. It will always be our way of flying. It enables you to get out if needed or to take a fight you would normally not be able to.


you guys are literally the only dudes flying with a 1/3 dps to logi ratio.
it's pretty dumb that you need logi to survive instead of knowledge and skill Roll

edit: grr filters


Dumb that we need logi to survive. How does Logi equal knowledge and or skill? Apparantly our isk destroyed as well as our efficiency are the highest among all mercs. What does this say? Maybe that we have the knowledge/skill AND supplemental logi to make sure we do the best job of said mercs.

Maybe it's time for the rest to get to our level?

take away all the logi alts and I bet you're as good as any other group lol
I never flew with logi, instead I flew with my brain.

And before you complain about my 2 losses whilst I was in merc corps, we call those "learning experiences"

And lastly, I have respect for all Merc groups, except yours... because they don't blatantly lie or try to make the others bend the knee because :elitism: and 1/3 dps-logi ratios XD

Hire ATYPE, they don't need a crapload of logi to win, they kill citas (protected by others who fail to show up), and they have fun like no one else


In what way is bringing logi a sign of weakness? That's like saying that an army should fight without a medics or even first aid kits. Fighting anything bigger than solo should bring logi, that's just common sense. And something that anywhere other than hisec would be considered the norm.

Oh, and I'm glad you fight with your brain. At least it gets used for something cos it sure as hell gets forgotten when posting


Little man you should stay in Dreddit...hide behind blobs...i cant see any kill where you be outnumbered and kill more than 1 ship by your own..
magic preacher
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1233 - 2016-09-28 08:45:10 UTC
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this post supposed to be about the services that a-type offer to their clients.
Good that its turned into a discussion about how effective VMG is.
If I was a potential customer I would go with VMG, they seem to have more logi than the rest.
It’s a bit like a supermarket putting a poster up advertising the shop down the road.
Well not to put off our potential customers, this 3/1 ratio is a little over exaggerated, but hell go on believing your own BS
Also what are you telling us a-type, and for that matter all other mercs don’t use neutral logi ..really?
Savoycabbage
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1234 - 2016-09-28 08:46:20 UTC
Tig3r Styl3 wrote:


Little man you should stay in Dreddit...hide behind blobs...i cant see any kill where you be outnumbered and kill more than 1 ship by your own..



Congratulations, you managed to find my corp history and killboard. That must have been a real struggle for you to manage, I applaud your hard work. Let me just check yours...oh wait apparently you don't exist...strange...

My KB is what it is, as is my corp history. I've never been a fan of sitting on lowsec gates ganking noobs who don't know any better just to make myself look like a l33t pvper.
Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#1235 - 2016-09-28 08:47:08 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Luukje wrote:
you can't deny we are effective as **** with all the logi Blink

because you have logi
but hey it only takes a small PL gang to make you cower in fear XD

And about flying with that brain part; you really think it requires 0 skill to do what we do? if it does, then why does noone do it as well as we do in high sec? [/quote]
Because no one really cares about losses except epeen heavy groups lol
all the merc groups I was in had priorities in this order: fun>win>everything else
yours is more like this: waving win>hiding>trying to bring friends to look badder>everything else
Everyone I know does this for plain fun, not for winning or losing (although winning is a nice thing)

[/quote]Bending the knee, i'd say we're trying to school retards all around us [/quote]
Oh like those Jen en Marland keeps killing? Lol

[/quote]mainly those camping hub stations [/quote]
I have yet to see you ladies more than 2j from Jita, and to be fair, your kb lately is worse than any other merc group (like those you decced). It's almost as if you were actually scared about getting dethroned Lol
Must be real hard to not shoot all the blingies on the undock eh? especially since they could all be bait Lol


[/quote]

this post dom, is beyond embarassing.
Jen en marland isnt up a fleet, he's a solo guy who tries to sneak in kills on small ****. that's what he enjoys. To compare him to an entity with allot of toons.... derp

Small gang of PL, like everyone's said, friend and foe. its pointless to engage a 20vs100, so why even bother bringing that up? ******** again.

Perhaps we choose to play the game diffferently opposite you; we get our fun in being a little better, doing things a little smarter. Try keep the grass greener. It brings clients back/to stay and fills up our wallets. YOU can find welping fleets fun, we don't neccesarily.

Yet to see you ladies more than 2j from jita. Then open ur eyes, coss the majority of ISK destroyed is near the low-sec systems, and all our protection fortizars/targetted structures are all over high-sec :) Guess ur stationspinning and ur view doesn't stretch further?

Stay small Dom, stay ******* small.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1236 - 2016-09-28 08:54:55 UTC
Luukje wrote:


Stay small Dom, stay ******* small.

or what? hmm?
you're going to cry to Krymius that someone doesn't bend the knee?

he can't do jack about it, neither can you Lol (unless it goes out of game ofc)

ATYPE, the #1 VMG salt extractors
get your own bucket today!

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Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#1237 - 2016-09-28 08:57:58 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Luukje wrote:


Stay small Dom, stay ******* small.

or what? hmm?
you're going to cry to Krymius that someone doesn't bend the knee?

he can't do jack about it, neither can you Lol (unless it goes out of game ofc)

ATYPE, the #1 VMG salt extractors
get your own bucket today!


So far we've got no losses, a few kills and all fortizars defended. The salt they extract must be from our tears of joy looking at the incapability of them to get anything done Roll


Nice one dodging all my retorts though. Good one.
Sit the fudge downTwisted
Tig3r Styl3
Doomheim
#1238 - 2016-09-28 09:04:17 UTC
Luukje wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Luukje wrote:


Stay small Dom, stay ******* small.

or what? hmm?
you're going to cry to Krymius that someone doesn't bend the knee?

he can't do jack about it, neither can you Lol (unless it goes out of game ofc)

ATYPE, the #1 VMG salt extractors
get your own bucket today!


So far we've got no losses, a few kills and all fortizars defended. The salt they extract must be from our tears of joy looking at the incapability of them to get anything done Roll


Nice one dodging all my retorts though. Good one.
Sit the fudge downTwisted



LolLol he is still talking about we have no looses :D he still dont understand what it means to be a good player.
Savoycabbage
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1239 - 2016-09-28 10:08:46 UTC
Tig3r Styl3 wrote:
Luukje wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Luukje wrote:


Stay small Dom, stay ******* small.

or what? hmm?
you're going to cry to Krymius that someone doesn't bend the knee?

he can't do jack about it, neither can you Lol (unless it goes out of game ofc)

ATYPE, the #1 VMG salt extractors
get your own bucket today!


So far we've got no losses, a few kills and all fortizars defended. The salt they extract must be from our tears of joy looking at the incapability of them to get anything done Roll


Nice one dodging all my retorts though. Good one.
Sit the fudge downTwisted



LolLol he is still talking about we have no looses :D he still dont understand what it means to be a good player.


And the dodging continues...this is boring now. I would say see you in game, but as you're hiding behind an alt I guess I won't.

Have fun little forum warrior
Tig3r Styl3
Doomheim
#1240 - 2016-09-28 10:50:02 UTC
Savoycabbage wrote:
Tig3r Styl3 wrote:
Luukje wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Luukje wrote:


Stay small Dom, stay ******* small.

or what? hmm?
you're going to cry to Krymius that someone doesn't bend the knee?

he can't do jack about it, neither can you Lol (unless it goes out of game ofc)

ATYPE, the #1 VMG salt extractors
get your own bucket today!


So far we've got no losses, a few kills and all fortizars defended. The salt they extract must be from our tears of joy looking at the incapability of them to get anything done Roll


Nice one dodging all my retorts though. Good one.
Sit the fudge downTwisted



LolLol he is still talking about we have no looses :D he still dont understand what it means to be a good player.


And the dodging continues...this is boring now. I would say see you in game, but as you're hiding behind an alt I guess I won't.

Have fun little forum warrior



and this from a guy who never got a real fight. you guys are the forum trolls not me. i subscribed to this threads now and i will follow watching it with popcorn.