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ok, I know im always in here ranting about some thing or another with capital changes and this time is no different.
ie Capital Neuts and Nos. This sig res is ridiculous! It mkaes them utterly useless outside of those huge once in a great while capital on capital fights. Most response fleets form sub caps and these cap warfare modules do next to nothing against anything non capital! I'm not saying they need to instantly drain anything subcap but for example a Battle cruiser or cruiser with an 800 sig is only going to be neuted at 10% effectiveness? I could see this being acceptable if the cycle time wasnt 48 frikkin seconds! This needs to be rebalanced. As the effectiveness goes down, so should the cycle time to reflect as cap war module comparable to the amount being neuted. there should be a direct correlation between cycle and neut amount

No arguing dumb logic.
The fact you often don't know what your fighting until the escalation lands on grid does indeed make fitting capital neuts all but useless. Then of course you can always carry one or 2 in your fleet hangar and risk being killed while you wait out the minute + to refit.
Or just do what most groups do when there is capitals to kill - Just bring more subcaps.

Unfortunately, these modules were designed with CCP's slim hopes of large capital/super fights in mind. While ever subcaps are as adept as they are at killing capitals, there is unlikely to be another large capital/super fight (sadly). So either sell your capital neuts and spend the isk on something more useful or just keep it and hope it one day finds a use.

It's still a pretty needless and frankly arbitrary limitation which ironically diminishes meaningful fitting choices because the times a cap neut is ever worth it are so rare that you'd be insane to suck up the very high fitting costs for a module useless 99% of the time.

I'm not saying they're widely used, I'm saying they get some niche use where dropping a single FAX for neuting is a good move, generally in smaller engagements.

As for your examples, you're comparing three sub-caps to one capitals module. I would kind of expect it to be more effective, doubly so for the Bhaalgorn which gets a specific bonus to Neuts. If we ever see a Neut-bonused faction FAX then I would expect that to be pretty ridiculous itself.

The application bonus is to prevent caps from dominating sub-caps, which is a reasonable risk for a module that neuts half of a Battleship's cap in one cycle, or 7.25 times a Heavy Neut in twice the cycle time (which, btw, means those three Machs actually neut less total over time than the single Capital neut, they make up for it with stagger, but the capital neut will still drop cap faster in general).



It's not needless or arbitrary, it's the same kind of penalty most capital offensive modules got to prevent them from dominating sub-cap ships. It's still a very effective module if used situationally, but that's fine it doesn't need to be amazingly good and a must-have to justify its existence.

Mate I'm sorry but all your going to achieve with a capital neut fit on a fax, is a fax without cap.
A fax, with active modules (doing its designed role of repping ships) can't keep cap up to itself with as few as 3 Machs with T2 neuts on it. As most Mach fleets have far more than 3 machs - What chance do you think the Fax has?

The current attributes of Capital neuts - Makes them a very poor fitting choice.

Once and only once have I seen a carrier fit a capital neut - He activated it on an Opposing Apostle as it was called primary - The Fax was dead before the Capital Nuet had cycled once - The carrier pilot now uses the same as the rest of us - T2 large neuts.

Who would waste a Fax (a capital logistics ship) by fitting it with capital neuts? They don't get a bonus to them, they don't have the cap to run them and it is just a waste unless your in a huge engagement where you know there will be caps to use them on, before you die horribly.
If they ever do release a faction fax with a neut bonus, it will once and for all show - Devs have no idea what they are doing. Unless that bonus is 100% reduction to activation cost.

NB; you do know, most Fax's, especially in smaller engagements are used to rep subcaps right?

CCplease fix the fighter follow mechanic so they dont land 5000 Km off of the carrier after warp. a couple hundered, sure, but this is refreakingdiculous

It is still a bug.

Where did the conversation get left off with respect to:
Naglfars >>> Other Dreads
Apostles/Minokawas >>> Ninazu/LiFs

Where there/are there any tweaks recommended to balance them without changing the dynamic greatly?
While running fits, Ninazu could use +1 low for -1 mid. LiF could maybe use a bit more CPU. If everyone thinks they are balanced then I will concede my point.

I just see/hear a lot about Nags/Apost/Mino's being way better than the others.

When compared to dreads fighters aren't worth the cost

but thats because they are very easy to camp with still as opposed to being used in actual fights. at the same time they are attacked more often when ratting. biggest problem with them is they have almost 0 resistance to ECM making them very easy to totally shut down.