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Popular election mechanics tend to have this result, which is why the best qualified candidates rarely get nominated, let alone elected, and issues of general concern are rarely given precedence over special interest groups, even in RL. This is a bad way to run a country, and even a worse way to run a business.

In a company, you would never consider filling the top positions by general popular election, so why do it with the CSM? The CSM should reflect the widest representation of the Eve player base, not just the loudest or biggest political group.

Here is a suggestion:

Assign each of the 7 seats of the CSM to represent a specific area or aspect of the game, particularly in areas which CCP recognizes an emphasized need for player feedback for the upcoming year or release(s). So, perhaps four of the seats are specifically assigned to represent "high sec", "low sec", "null sec", "WH space" issues, respectively. The three other seats can be assigned to "ship balancing", "NPE", "crime and punishment", "market issues", etc. - a large group of issues which changes for each CSM, perhaps depending on what is highest on the agenda for the next release.

Each candidate can only run for one seat. A prelim election is open to anyone who wants to write a campaign statement. A runoff election is held for the top ten candidates, based on the prelim results, for each seat.

Players get to vote for three seats only - picking the three areas/aspects of greatest interest/concern to themselves.

Exploits - ex. an alliance trying to get someone elected in each seat without actually intending to properly represent that seat - can be easily monitored by CCP at the meetings, and any bad apples replaced by the alternates.

Still not a perfect method, but perhaps better than what is currently being proposed?

And the CSM is right about that ... at least from my point of view

CCP Does not get to veto members of the player organization meant to help guide/pollce them. That's a no brainer.

1) There is no way to implement a war that both caters to those who want to fight wars for a living and cater to those who do not wish to fight wars. If I want to wage war against those who don't which would take precedence?

It sounds like consentual pvp is on its way, if so you can hang it up, and prepare for another 20% downsizing.

2) It may very well be in CCPs best interest for plex to be low, but it sure as hell isn't in mine if i'm buying the plex to sell in game. The day I buy from a company that seeds the same item they are selling is the day I no longer buy them. That choice is yours but the free market will dictate the price of plex or you won't sell plex.

3) A cloak hunting ship. You'll kill solo play, especially in null. I didn't read the removal of local was coming so I have to ask. If they know i'm in system and once they see i'm not on dscan they break out the cloak hunting ship how on earth does one gather Intel?


I sincerly hope the single sentence contradictions in just those three points aren't CCPs new direction, my account will be closed for sure.

And considering I spent a month training cloaking to 5 if you gimp it or change it after the fact i'd like a skill point refund. Along with the ECM skills ive devoted time to as they only shine on cloaky ships and with gimped combat and survivability you can keep em'. If not screw you. I'll find another game.

All in all the minutes avoid detailing the significant changes while highlighting insignificant garbage.

I made a post detailing an idea for helping out newer players stay in the game longer. The thread is here, please leave feedback.

The problem is, nobody really flys them at present; there are fewer active EAF than there are Black Ops BS. So CCP would like to find a new niche for them.


It is actually a significant concern for CCP with regards to inactive accounts. There is always the chance that someone will decide to reactivate, and at the time they stopped playing, while their stuff in a nullsec station might be hard to get at, it was at least safe. So the idea was to have a system that let people blow stuff up and get rewarded, but didn't totally screw over the people who had their stuff trapped.


You will note that in that same section, CSM pushed hard for improvements for people who are color-blind. This has been a pet issue of mine since CSM5; I personally would like CCP to define some "EVE colors" that are used whenever the UI provides color coded information, and allow a player to set the colors in the ESC menu.


This is an interesting concern, thanks for pointing it out. One would hope that CCP would be sensitive to this and not provide Master Account level APIs that would cause these problems, or perhaps would set up the Master Account APIs so that individual keyIDs would only provide information for specific sub-accounts (and not reveal the existence of other sub-accounts)


While I cannot speak for everyone on the CSM, those who are in favor of Partial Skill Respecs want it to be limited to a few million SP and/or some small % of your total SP, and, like remaps, be possible once a year or so.

The major uses for this would be to (a) deal with game design changes that render some of your SP unusable, (b) permit faster access to new game features (ie: when PI came out, you could have respec'd into PI skills) and (c) make a significant change of career easier (especially for purchased characters).

Lots of good stuff in the minutes. Particularly like all the ship rebalancing stuff as well as improvements to Faction Warfare. Future looks promising.

However, something that needs mentioning...
CCP and CSM seem to have skimmed over the possible connection between improving Lo Sec and contraband adjustments. Changes to contraband are an opportunity to help add meaningful gameplay to Lo Sec. Quick fixes, such as the proposed, 'make players responsible for enforcing Customs laws' misses the mark.

There aren't enough (il)legitimate gameplay mechanics to support smuggling. This could potentially be a new play-style if the framework existed for it. Who doesn't want to be Han Solo? EVE mechanics don't currently offer the opportunity to do this (aside from the player imagining he's a smuggler and telling all his imaginary friends thats what he does for a living).

Add ship modules, rigs, skills, and possibly even new ships so that the players can effectively smuggle goods.

Add a skill based mechanic that allows players to outsmart the authorities (as well as other players).

Lo Sec is crying out for black market smuggling. Didn't the whole "corruption" theme go over really well in Las Vegas a couple years back? This is perfect for Lo Sec.

Give players the ability and the financial motivation to smuggle contraband goods from Lo Sec into, and throughout, Hi Sec. Freeing/Taking slaves is great, but a rewards might speed up the process. Need more 'real contraband' then just boosters.

Add a bribery mechanic. I want to bribe customs officials!


I'm posting this to make the point that "Smuggling" is a possible great fix for 2 things CCP and the CSM, based on the Summit minutes, appear to be currently struggling with. Adding a smuggling profession (comprable to exploration) would give a large number of players another reason to travel into Lo Sec. At the very least it would give pirate organizations an additional revenue source.

Nice discussion with the art dept. I agree completely with need to prioritise the appearance of noob ships.

One a similar note, one of the first careers I got into as a new player was cleaning up after mission runners salvaging.
I'd like to suggest that some effort goes into re-skinning existing models with appropriate wrek skins rather than the ugly generic collection of girders that currently passes for a destroyed ship. The story of destruction would be better told that way. It would be much more satisfying to see from the aggressors viewpoint too.

Also on the art theme, why does the warp effect now draw over your gang fleet mates? A huge sense of camaraderie has been diluted by segregating the fleet in warp.

Finally, I've mentioned it elsewhere but the star-field needs to be sharpened up a notch, not much, just the blur curve tightened somewhat. They do not appear cold enough for the EVE universe.

Trebor for Jesus.

EAS idea is boneheaded, but that's usual from the geniuses in the CSM.



Hyenas rock in small gang PvP, and are basically the only good tool currently in the game for stopping people from gate crashing. If you idiots in the CSM screw up the very best tackler in the f'n game just to play supercapz warz, I swear to buddy christmas, I will cut you all.

It's called: Make a new ship, stupid. Don't screw up an existing class that works perfectly fine as it is.

Goddamn the CSM is such a pointless game-killing enterprise.