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PvP in 15 Days Challenge.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#21 - 2016-09-15 23:21:13 UTC
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#22 - 2016-09-15 23:35:33 UTC
Kind of wanna try this

@lunettelulu7

Toobo
Project Fruit House
#23 - 2016-09-16 01:33:27 UTC
While I would say that PVP within 15 days is possible, to some extent I have to admit things are different now compared to, say, a decade ago. While you still gey stream of noobs in low sec in the right vincinity of certain high sec systems, in general you will find more seasoned vets in low sec than 10 years ago, and iy is very unlikely you will get to kill a low sec vet within first 15 days of your eve career. It IS possible, but the vets usually won't let themselves get caught in such scenario.

Decreasing playerbase and the less number of noobs joining the game means there's less players at your level or below when you are a noob, not just SP wise but the game mechanic understanding wise. There's also much more resources now that a self-determined noob can read up on and equip himself with knowledge to avoid getting ganked too easily.


So game mechanic, SP and ship balance wise I would say yes, it is possible to do decent PVP as a noob, but in practice you will find it hard to find a suitable opponent in the current low sec landscape if you are complete eve virgin.

Vets can do it with a new toon, because they know what to fight and which systems to roam, but that is knowledge and experience not easily gained in 15 days, unless you have a mentor/corp.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!

Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#24 - 2016-09-16 03:34:19 UTC
Throw in 4 or 5b and i do it. Fraps the fights, post full API atc.

Trial account CAN skill into a half decent frig during trial, and than go and kill something you know you can counter with this ship and fit. But real "new" toons usually get small mining laser 5 and some sort of other random useless skill. Also 1mn AB on a battlecruiser because what's a fitting tool xP



People compare "few million sp" to, let's say, 100m, not someone in middle of the tutorial to a guy that plays for 10 years. Applies to every game.




People in Care Factor really do care \o/
Keno Skir
#25 - 2016-09-16 05:31:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Satchel Darkmatter wrote:
I keep hearing people say that skill points don't matter, and then in the same breath I see corps recruiting "Must have xx millions SP" , and yet people still say SP don't matter, that you can do PvP you can blow **** up. But I am seriously doubting that sentiment


You can PvP from day 1. The corps that have SP minimums probably just want to make sure they only recruit people who are in some way serious about EvE. I think the issue here is that you think "New player can pvp on day 1" means "You can kill anybody anywhere with no SP" which it doesn't. Even as a several year veteran you still have to pick your targets based on a huge amount of variable factors and it's no different for the lower SP character. Find pilots your own age / experience level and have great PvP fights, or group up with other players your age / experience level to tackle larger fish.

Please try not to sound butthurt when the vets don't feel like spending 15 days proving to you something you should already have worked out for yourself ;)
Valkin Mordirc
#26 - 2016-09-16 05:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
The reason corps want I certain amount of SP is because it causes a barrier to ensure that at least the person you recruiting has the ability to fly in doctrines. A Higher level of PVP.


It takes like what 8 days to be in a fully gank ready Catty. Another day or two and you can toss a warp scram on that ***** and have fun out in FW


Quote:
For a new account of a knowing player, that's not very hard a challenge.



However this needs repeating
#DeleteTheWeak
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-09-16 07:21:38 UTC
When player skills are equalized, SP matters.
When player skills are not equalized, SP is still a big deal, but the gap can be closed if you are more skilled even if you have less SP.

And then there is luck.
Sometimes your shots glanced off your target and his shots keep wrecking your ship.
But luck is a few and far between scenario.
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#28 - 2016-09-16 08:59:49 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
doctrines. A Higher level of PVP.


Do you actually believe that yourself?
Valkin Mordirc
#29 - 2016-09-16 11:21:33 UTC
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
doctrines. A Higher level of PVP.


Do you actually believe that yourself?



Due to the fact that a PL sleipnir fleet needs higher SP then a two week player can have?

Yes.


Higher SP level of PvP.


But take whatever you want out of context and pat yourself on the back.
#DeleteTheWeak
Skyweir Kinnison
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-09-16 12:21:49 UTC
There seems to be an implicit assumption throughout the thread that 'qualifying' PVP would be a solo win. On that assumption, the OP might have some grounds for his assertion, though plenty have demonstrated otherwise.

Yet I see new pilots join Pandemic Horde and get into PVP straight away on all sorts of fleets. As tackle, as EWAR, they contribute force multipliers all the time, have fun doing it, and get kills on their board. They may be part of a small roaming gang, or a huge citadel bash. Since most players' PvP experience will be as part of a team, this surely is a better metric for the OP's experiment, and if so, his argument fails immediately.

I'm sure pilots who join Karmafleet or Eve University et al would have the same immediate PVP experience. The higher SP requirements of more 'senior' corporations would be to ensure certain doctrines can be flown, not to exclude new players specifically.

PVP in Eve is much more than simply soloing. For one thing, getting a 'fair' fight to justly test one's capability is nigh on impossible, and as is often said, if you get a fair fight you are doing it wrong.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#31 - 2016-09-16 15:03:52 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
doctrines. A Higher level of PVP.


Do you actually believe that yourself?



Due to the fact that a PL sleipnir fleet needs higher SP then a two week player can have?

Yes.


Higher SP level of PvP.


But take whatever you want out of context and pat yourself on the back.


SKILL POINT level, yes. Skill level not necessarily.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#32 - 2016-09-16 15:14:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
So what is in it for me? I'm not going to make a trial character and try to get into Horde, without some monetary gain.

But yeah, it's easy to get into PvP straight out of the box, with little to no SP by joining a newbie friendly PvP corp like Horde or Karma fleet.
Robot Robot
What.
#33 - 2016-09-25 00:01:22 UTC
I have done this. I've started trial accounts, gifted them with like 50 million isk from my main (this is optional. you can earn 50 million relatively quickly even as a newbie) and gotten solo kills within the first five days, against PVP-fit players. Real skill and experience matters a lot. I wouldn't expect an actual new player to have a hope in hell of finding a 1v1 fight against a PVP-fit ship and winning it.

That said, two things:

1. With a little bit of guidance, a fifteen day old character can be killing cyno ships in low sec, and the potential profit from the cyno mod dropping may actually make it a worthwhile endeavour.

2. I got my first killmail within my first month of playing when I originally started, and it was a Succubus no less. I was running level one missions in lowsec in my Thrasher, when the Succubus player scanned me down, warped in, and killed me. I went back to the trade hub and reshipped, and then started chatting with some vets about what had happened. They gave me some advice on how to refit my Thrasher for tank and tackle and then offered to shadow me back to my mission. I warped back in and, sure enough, the Succubus arrived shortly thereafter. I tackled him and survived long enough for my new friends to arrive and finish him off. I really credit that experience as being one of the things that made me realize this was a game I wanted to keep playing.
ACESsiggy
Pandemic Horde Inc.
#34 - 2016-09-25 01:20:54 UTC
Are you kidding me! T1 frigate tackle ftw man. lol

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”

Dahlia Samar
Maniacal Miners INC
Name Pending Coalition
#35 - 2016-09-25 10:42:45 UTC
As a complete newbie to EvE I found that as much as I want to dip my toes into PvP it simply isn't sustainable unless you're already sitting on a nice pile of ISK. As a newer player I don't have the luxury of buying a bunch of frigates and fittings in bulk and just going out there to explore and hope that I run into someone as green as me.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2016-09-25 10:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Kind of wanna try this


Do it, kestrel is a lot of fun and costs very little.
Serene Repose
#37 - 2016-09-25 21:17:11 UTC
Says nothing about a rookie ship. You can get a decent dessy in less than an hour your first day,
and qualify to fly it by the time you get it for free. Where's the challenge? Gankers suicide gank with these daily.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#38 - 2016-09-25 23:11:47 UTC
I could just roll the brand new alt, wardec some random morons in an ice mining system and kill them with the alt and it would satisfy the conditions of this challenge.

Or awox somebody, or gank someone or bait some white knight in an ice belt or mission hub. It doesn't take multiple months to get like 20 million isk from the SOE epic arc, buy a ship and kill somebody. If you're incapable of conceiving of a situation where a low SP character wins a fight you either have an incredibly narrow view of the game, have zero creativity or are outright stupid.
Imperator Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
EdenCommies
#39 - 2016-09-26 10:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Imperator Kane
Satchel Darkmatter wrote:
TLDR -:- Make a Trial Character, Screen shot your bio/info and then win an open world PvP engagement.

The Why - I keep hearing people say that skill points don't matter, and then in the same breath I see corps recruiting "Must have xx millions SP" , and yet people still say SP don't matter, that you can do PvP you can blow **** up. But I am seriously doubting that sentiment, sure you can start the game join a corp , join their fleet with zero skill points and a rookie ship and then join a fleet (first of all no you cant because most corps need as I said above XX Million sp) and then go PvP, you might be doing 1 damage per second but your fleet will fill in your massive gap in skill's and ship power.

So I don't really agree with that at all, first of all as I said above most corps need a few million skill points from players and thats me being generous, secondly as people all to often explain just getting into a good corp takes time api keys and interviews, and any corp thats easy to get into is one you actually do not want to be in, so I contest that skill points do matter.

Most if not all of the players coming to this game these days are doing so because they hear and read about these colossus epic battles in space, they watch one of the epic trailers, that one with the FC's from loads of fleets still blows me away each time I see it, in a nut shell they come to the game for the battles, and I personally feel like they leave the game shortly after because they very quickly realize that those epic fights be it 1v1 or fleet v fleet are actually week's or month's away.

So the challenge is simple, make a new character, zero skill points, no ships, no money either an alt on your main account or a trial account, and play for 15 days which would cover the trial period and your goal is to get into an open world fight and actually kill some one, if skill points really do not matter then this should be easy right ?

Challenge Rules

  • Start with Zero Skillpoints or what ever the trial starts you with.
  • Start with zero money in your wallet
  • No arranging a fight with others for the purpose of winning the challenge
  • on gaining a kill, screen shot your wallet, and your skill points and link the kill.




You are being a muppet.

10 days into the game I was killing stuff in low and null.

And it then got decidedly worse for people from that point on until I sold my character on the bazaar.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/15460766/ most likely will get removed by CCP. It is from a way back when a 100 man corp did not close down when a 1 man corp war decced them. So before the age of pansies and crimewatch 2.0 and people like you it seems.

Killmail attached. :)

Cannibal Kane was my Test Character.

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