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Yeah! Restricting and forcing. The right way to keep old (loyal) players in game.

Why do you want to link skillpoints to available missions? You do not steal the fun for new players, if old players fly their level 4 missions. But you anger the old and skilled players if you restrict or force them to do something other than they have skilled for.

My Medclone might be in a Station that is destroyed. So, I get podded to 0sp?

NO, no, no, no, no to the idea for a "spool up timer" for all capital ships. Or, more particularly, a NO for jump freighters. 60 seconds I'm supposed to sit there? With no weapons, no mods, no invul, no help? No thanks. At most, not jumping until invul expires (as it always has been) seems reasonable.

I had expected to hear more about changes to the CSM that would enable non-sov-alliance members to have a voice. The proposed (or maybe finalized, I'm not clear on that) solution seems guaranteed to install the 7 members of the 7 largest alliances in perpetuity. With the tools available to average, small corp/alliance players, there is simply no way to reach out to a sufficient number of new or casual players. Not enough people read these or other forums for anyone using them as a campaign tool to realistically have a chance at gathering the number of votes necessary to compete, and there are no other means for mass communication in EVE (a problem EVE businesses have in general with advertising their services). If you need evidence of why other voices are necessary, just look at the minutes. Where's the discussion of the game from the point of view of hisec players, casual players, and the rest of majority of EVE?

I'm also surprised by the discussion of "teaching corporations." The CSM is against giving them any benefits. So, my question is why should these teaching corps not be rewarded for their hard work? They're supposed to provide something CCP itself should be providing, and you want them to do it for free, as volunteers, so that players don't quit before their trial is over and so that they get the skills necessary to join a major alliance, whose CSM reps are saying they shouldn't get any rewards. That makes no ******* sense. Teaching corps who actually teach and do it well should be showered with gifts and benefits.

You wouldnt have your med clone in a destructible station now would you?

I cannot believe the majority of the CSM or CCP believe in this philosophy considering POCOs made their way to low sec.

It took us (and several other entities) a long time to build up our wormholes. It should also take a long time and dedication for someone else to tear them down. Given enough motivation, any wormhole can be conquered. We have invaded several large groups that lived in their wormhole for years, and we won. It took a lot of time and effort.

Some sort of wormhole stabilizer would just result in groups like AHARM wiping out *all* of the smaller folks living in w-space. Right now, doing that would take a lot of time and effort, but if we could push 50 BSs through every hole, it would be easy. The ability to move unlimited mass through a wormhole turns w-space into a slightly different version of nullsec, and would result in large blobs dominating, which nobody wants.

You're meant to live in the space you inhabit. So, yeah, I keep my medclone near me. I get podded enough that keeping it in an NPC station would be fairly intolerable.

Ok, that sounds reasonable and fair enough. I just wanted this clarified since my knowledge of wh life is all hearsay. Thanks for the answer.

What a bunch of horse ****.

Infi-point on supercarriers? What idiot came up with that idea? Since when would it be a good idea for a supercap blob to not even have bubblers? I mean, they are often the only sub-cap ship seen in some engagements/hotdrops. Bring support or GTFO and don't turn supercapitals into jack-of-all-trades ZOMG I win machines any more than they already are. The prolifiation of the supercap-blob is the greatest threat to 0.0 and should not be fed more.

Faction warfare as a test bed for sov-warfare? Really? I mean REALLY? The two are so fundamentally different I can't even begin to explain the stupidity in this. Faction warfare is supposed to be the empire factions capsuleer-arm of sort, below the empress/president/etc. and should try to increase their factions influence over rivalling factions. And moving FW into 0,0? I'm just going stop here and ... no...

If you want to design a proper sov-system you'll have to begin from scratch and have the guts to bypass the clowns in the current CSM since they have their seats because of the way the current sov-system looks. It needs to be activity based, if you don't live in the system you should not be able to have sov in it. (a few examples is a bit in this thread: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?5175-CSM-Dec-Summit-Q-amp-A sme are goofy but I recall reading a few good examples)

Look at what happened after IT Alliance failed, it took many months before they disappeared from the influence map/lost their stations despite only having one inactive corp left. It's a textbook example on how it shouldn't look.

This is a useless post but FW and sov should be fundamentally different since they attract very different groups and SHOULD attract very different groups of players. It gives diversity to the game and just because the 0.0-sov-goon-PL CSM think something doesn't mean that the players care for it. They represent a tiny fraction of the playerbase, don't forget that and while using them as a ballplank for stuff in 0.0 can be fine they should NOT be the only way CCP gather feedback from the players and you should still bypass them and connect directly with the playerbase as often as possible.

Reading the minutes I see "the CSM urged CCP to continue discussions with the CSM" and similar much more than I read "the CSM urged CCP to discuss with the playerbase more directly". The CSM want CCP to talk even more to them over talking to the playerbase.