Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok, keep ignoring the point i'm trying to make and just keep saying it should be fair and balanced, damn the consequences.

Thanks for confirming it's just about winning the argument, not what is best for the game.

And you don't think this will lead to less ganking?

Again, raise the cost of something get less of it. So you are wrong on that we'll get less ganking.

And no it won't mean more whales. What it means is that the bar for ganking for profit will go up meaning gankers will pass by freighters they would have previously ganked.

Brokk, it is better when you don't post in such a dumb fashion.

They won't be ganking less because they are imprudent, but because they are prudent....and the imprudent will let off the hook.

Please provide some source for this.

Agreed on the containers- I hadn't yet realized this until this thread and I'll be sure to use them even more than I do now. (I've always used them, just not consciously for this purpose).

As for Teckos ...... dude, I knew it was dumb alright- then again, it was your own quote. The moment you start posting something on topic in this thread I'll stop counter-trolling you. Deal?

In case you haven't noticed, I've never agreed or disagreed with whether or not it's bad mechanic, again you are completely missing the point.

I guess it's a perception of what's better. I don't feel the path the game is on right now is making it better. You keep harping on this one mechanic. It's a mentality on a conceptual level that I speak of. I feel the root of the problem is the mentality that everything should always be fair and balanced.

I didn't want to respond to this thread at all, because, judging by the emotional colouring of some of your posts ("the gankers grab their tear stained pitch forks", etc., etc.), you've grown biased against freighter gankers for some reason. Whether it was caused by a personal conflict of some kind or the fact that hyperdunking was removed a year ago, it looks like you do want to have freighter ganking nerfed, because wanting to remove a tool that freighter fleets rely on without offering a viable alternative is, indeed, a nerf.

I won't argue against the fact that the Crimewatch system is imperfect. It has a number of loopholes that players can exploit, and CCP have so far taken the most simple measures to set a better balance within the system. However, even if a game mechanic is a crutch, or if it is illogical, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's bad for the game. For instance, it's been more or less agreed on that freighter bumping should be limited, but it's hard to come up with a complete alternative for it, so it stays for now.

Same with DST looting. You said you used to loot with a freighter directly - but, my dear, that was happening while you were hyperdunking, which was an activity that could be disrupted by a single white knight, so the hyperdunker would always keep a very low profile to prevent anyone from intervening. When we say "freighter fleets", we imagine local full of flashy reds and anti-gankers swarming around bumped freighters. If what you and many other players have been suggesting is applied without an alternative, the looting process will fall into the opposite extreme: the looter goes yellow and gets gang-raped, and the gankers' fleet can do nothing about it, no matter how strong its support wing is.

I'm not against having to risk freighters or DSTs per se, but, if gankers need to expose their expensive toys, they've got to have a way to protect them, too. I think that a relatively simple solution would be to expand the existing suspect mechanic: the looter stays a suspect for all players, as he does now, but if you fire at him, you become a legal target for both the suspect and his corp members. This could both give gankers the necessary means to protect their looters and incentivize their support characters to stay in player-made corps, which, in turn, makes them exposed to wardecs. As a result, all the sides involved have to step up their game at the same time.

If complimented by changes in other highsec mechanics, like bounty hunting and wardecs, it could result in an interesting new system. Balance is not about game mechanics being "good" or "logical" or "risky", it's about having counters available against other players' actions.