EVE New Citizens Q&A

With respect, I think you are conflating two levels of consent. When you install and login into the client to the first time, you agree - that is give your consent - to abide by the EULA and TOS of Eve Online which say that shooting someone anywhere in space for basically any reason (with only a few specific exceptions) is perfectly fine. The 'Golden Rule' you object to refers to the fact that you are intentionally put at risk of attack when you undock by the basic design intent of the game and shooting someone, even in the safest space, is not against the EULA or TOS. If you do not consent to that risk, you should uninstall the game and play something else.

Where you are correct is that you did indeed not 'consent' to having your industrial ship shot within the confines of the game itself. Much of Eve destruction and combat occurs in a non-consensual manner and is often described as such. You don't have to like it, but just like in any competitive game, Eve has the risk of loss and you have to accept that if you are going to play. Most players don't like losing, but just like a poker player who doesn't consent to getting cleaned out by an opponent, or a goal tender who doesn't consent to have his net scored on, you have consented to that risk as part of playing the game.

Honestly though, the point of the 'Golden Rules' isn't to spark debate over what 'consent' means or to minimize or trivialize the emotions of those players who have been outplayed by other players and lost some virtual assets. The point of such a simple statement is to make clear to new players that it is perfectly legal and acceptable behaviour for someone to shoot you when you are in space anywhere. This is normal and expected game play. You cannot opt-out of this risk, and should not expect CCP to step in and censure the other player for shooting you, even if you don't want to be shot at. You consented to that risk by pressing the undock button, and thus you, not CCP, are responsible for ensuring the safety of your in-space assets by playing the game when you choose to leave the station.

You don't have to like being shot and losing virtual assets, and the emotions this can engender are part of the magic of the game, but I will submit you are indeed a bit of a sore loser if you choose to rage about how "unfair" the game is or start insulting the victor after being outplayed in a video game. The mature thing to do is to congratulate your opponent on her victory and for teaching you a lesson and make a point to be more careful in the future, but choosing to seek revenge for such an attack is also a perfectly acceptable choice and is the very content CCP hopes to engender by allowing non-consensual PvP everywhere in the game. Either of those choices is actually playing the game you consented to when you clicked the 'Agree' box when you logged in the very first time.

You really shouldn't take being shot so personally. We are all targets in this game to each other. It is literally the main conceit of the game. You definitely don't have to like losing, but don't assume that someone is out there to degrade you or hurt you in some way. They may just want your stuff (or have one of another dozen reasons that don't involve making you feel bad) and piracy is an intentional 'feature' as you acknowledge so in the end, their motivations don't matter so much as you'll explode all the same for whatever reason they attack you.

I am pretty sure pirates aren't too concerned about being "socially accepted" by the law abiding pilots of highsec given that they have purposely chosen a career that preys upon them. Besides, they have their own communities and social networks, and there is no prize for being "accepted" by some subset of Eve players while part of the attraction of being a 'bad guy' in this game is to be a villain and troublemaker. You really should roll an alt and spend some time with the pirates in this game to see things from their point of view before passing blanket judgements on their motivations.

In any case, playing to the 'court of public opinion' to inflict or minimize the "social repercussions" of piracy really has no place in this subforum so I'll stop here. I just wanted to make it clear what type of game this is for any new players reading this thread.

Good for you. Stick to your beliefs and make sure to inflict some consequences on those that don't share them (in-game of course). Be a content creator and make things happen in the sandbox.

I appreciate your point of view, but at the end of the day the core concept of Eve is that it is a PvP game, and like every other PvP game out there you consent to participating in PvP by playing the game.

What such a post says is legitimising high sec ganking and **** the miners. They get the rock and stuff and manufacture the stuff needed and build ships and modules .. once they get fed up being ganked and their hardware blown they will simply stop making the stuff gankers and pvp'ers need to do their stuff. If there's no security at all in hi sec , the people who joined the game for the possibilities of making **** instead of blowing it up; simply leave the game. The game economics are fragile , not solid. If everyone in high sec gets tired and stops producing goods , PvP'ers are fu&&&&. Maybe that's what's needed .. but in the end every game has an end to their life .. after all .. all games come to an end and EVE is no different .. it will be replaced by something newer , better and that's the unavoidable end for them. Clients paying for a game like we are .. ( about what .. 150 CDN a year ) want some enjoyment and be left in peace to do their **** if they want to .. CCP decides it's all PvP .. Client leaves . And that's normal. We do pay good money for playing the game , if we can't do it our way .. it's bye bye .
PvP ers can do their **** between themselves and it's ok .. but when it's making the game unattractive to people who joined for different reasons than PvP then it's game over for them and CCP looses clients .. their choice.

lol, haven't seen this before.
must do something with this.

I haven't read anything after the first post. I just wanted to say smthng which has probly been said already:

Have you even wondered how this game survived for this long, and why this game has some really mature audience ? It's because YOU CAN. Yes, every other title out there is full of rules and constrains. Here you can do whatever it takes to get to ISK. As long as it doesn't involve real life threatening, it's allowed. As long as it's role playing it's allowed. You ever wanted to be ruthless killer mercenary ? You can. Kill ppl for money ? You are allowed to... He who has the strength - he makes rules. And that's what keeps this game still alive. And the value IS real... You really have to EARN your ISK. One way or another.

Also, I do not think that the OP is correct. Eve actually has only 1 rule:

#1 No rules (if you except game mechanics as rules)

No one will keep you from flying all your blings on your shuttle, having 30bils of plexes in it and flying a nullsec tour just for sight seeing. It's not forbidden. It's not a RULE. It's just helluva stupid thing to do . But you can if you feel like it. :)


Also I'd like ppl to stop using their real life country insignias and act like separated groups "Russians this, germans that, USA TZ blabla..." Here - we should all be citizens of the new EDEN, escape from the real life clutches and embrace the new identity . Either you are Amarr or you are one of the slave nations. No USA or Russia. Earth is long gone, forgotten many generations ago.
That's all it matters in EVE, IMHO :)

Also a warning for the new CCP generations of employees < have this concept in your mind when you "evolve" the game.

yes indeed good advice that

Bahaha, you laugh now but they're there for a reason

You need to read this old classic then, nearly 40 pages but Damn well worth the read.

Well put trust no one