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[November] Rorqual Astrahus citadel docking fix

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#101 - 2016-09-20 19:41:02 UTC
Siede Dunham wrote:
we are talking about Null-sec alliances.


Also some wormholers. I know more than one group that built a rorqual in their C3/C4 for mining boosts.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#102 - 2016-09-20 19:50:59 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Siede Dunham wrote:
we are talking about Null-sec alliances.


Also some wormholers. I know more than one group that built a rorqual in their C3/C4 for mining boosts.

My first Rorqual was built in a C2. I self-destructed it when we moved out.

I bought another, rather than built another, when we moved into a C5. I still have that Rorqual now that we moved out of w-space.
Rapscallion Jones
Omnibus Solutions
#103 - 2016-09-20 20:29:46 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Orcas are Large hulls, not XL—they're battleship-sized—so it's highly unlikely they'll make them unable to dock where every other subcap can.


Please CCP, remember this when you rebalance the Orca. It is battleship sized and as such should:

1. Fit in a freighter when packaged.
2. Fit in a capital or Rorqual SMB when assembled.

This could even be the fix to no docking in an Astrahus provided the Orca's ore hold gets buffed.

Arrendis wrote:
That said, this really is a silly change. It may have been a bug, but it's a bug that made sense. Industrial ships aren't as survivable as combat ships. Why not give them a break?


Agree with this 10,000℅, maybe even more.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#104 - 2016-09-20 20:43:29 UTC
Quote:
>One change we are working towards is the ability to place items into your personal hangar in an Upwell structure from outside of that structure (within docking range).

I would definitely love this.
Sullen Decimus
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#105 - 2016-09-20 20:46:48 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey folks. We hear your concerns, and a good point has been raised by some that it's especially awkward to fix this bug a month before the actual Rorqual changes hit.

Although we can't leave this bug in place long-term (it's not within my power to leave the docking access as it is long-term since Astrahus citadels don't have the correct docking port for a Rorqual-sized ship), after some discussion internally we can delay the bug fix until at least November so that it doesn't hit before the Rorqual revamp. There are a number of changes in the pipeline that should help address some of the concerns here, although they're not at a stage where I'm able to provide exact release dates.

One change we are working towards is the ability to place items into your personal hangar in an Upwell structure from outside of that structure (within docking range). I'm not going to lie and tell you that we know exactly when that feature will be done, but it is on our roadmap.

In the meantime TL:DR is that we're delaying this fix for now, at least until November.


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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#106 - 2016-09-20 20:49:13 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Siede Dunham wrote:
we are talking about Null-sec alliances.


Also some wormholers. I know more than one group that built a rorqual in their C3/C4 for mining boosts.



Is that the same groups that took down & sold their towers because ... .. You Know ..... The Astrahus is the replacement for Towers.

Oh well ... another Toon logged off in a space coffin
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#107 - 2016-09-20 22:17:53 UTC
wow... I know a lot of people who are going to be disappointed with this. You could always keep this bug as a feature.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

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FearlessLittleToaster
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2016-09-20 23:00:54 UTC
Fozzie, I have a solution that might make everyone happy. Instead of simply disallowing Rorquals from docking at medium citadels, let them do it but for a price. Make each dock/undock consume 1000 units of Synthetic Oil and 50 exotic dancers (male). Somebody has to go out there and spread the lube around.

Lore wise this would totally fit with the whole using the frigate port thing too.
Penance Toralen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#109 - 2016-09-21 01:23:58 UTC
WTB Purity white ship skin for Orca and Rorqual. Given the monomania focus on miner killing, the game is already full of Captain Ahabs.

Being real, would it be a correct assumption that this mechanism of ship limit would also apply to the forth coming Industrial Arrays. (I know it early days to ask this).
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#110 - 2016-09-21 01:34:44 UTC
I think mining sigs should come back when the rorq goes on grid.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Nymblar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#111 - 2016-09-21 02:02:44 UTC
So is my understanding correct that you can't allow the rorqual because the ART of a astrahus doesn't have a capital docking port? Yet you're still allowing Jump Freighters, a much larger ship to dock?

:psyduck:
Cade Windstalker
#112 - 2016-09-21 02:32:36 UTC
Nymblar wrote:
So is my understanding correct that you can't allow the rorqual because the ART of a astrahus doesn't have a capital docking port? Yet you're still allowing Jump Freighters, a much larger ship to dock?

:psyduck:


This is incorrect, the largest Freighter is the Providence at 2,484 meters long-axis, second place is the Charon at 2,461m long axis. The Rorqual is 2,862m long-axis, and larger than either Freighter in every other dimension as well, being about twice as wide as a Charon and 2-3 times as thick.

Also the Rorqual is a true Capital with all of the restrictions there-in while Freighters are not.

The Astrahus specifically says that Capitals can't dock at it.
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#113 - 2016-09-21 02:39:45 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We're fixing this bug at some point in the future which means that Rorquals will no longer be able to dock in Astrahus citadels.



This is an absolutely horrible idea, (yes, I saw that you're delaying it, but still) That will be the death of the rorq and will likely be the deciding factor in smaller alliances and/or corps deciding NOT to bother with the medium citadel at all and for costs or building incentives, no citadel at all in some cases if it can't be used as a semi-portable base of operations for industrialists...
Granted I'm referring to low and null-sec space where a small corp or alliance won't be able to afford to have 14B sitting there on the line in the form of a fortizar along with the fuel, ships and other things there, that's just too much isks and too much risk for a small group, whereas a 1.4 billion investment would be easier to come up with and easier to overcome in the case of a loss...


Now, this is just my humble opinion, but that's a great way to "kill two birds with one stone", and I'm not talking about doing it in the good way.

o/
Celly S.

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Strykr X
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2016-09-21 03:39:29 UTC
I disapprove of this change. Others have already detailed at length the reasons why.
X Minx
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2016-09-21 04:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: X Minx
Why not just remove the rorqual all together.

Clearly it's just a waste of resources having one, and will shortly have very little to no risk/reward incentive to use one.

I'm guessing CCP regrets ever introducing it seeing as it's been messed with so much. Rather than torture all the rorqual owners over several years in the name of fantasy gameplay - just remove it Blink - it would even fix your rorqual docking bug problem at the same time.
Resa Moon
New Eden Miners Association
Interplay
#116 - 2016-09-21 05:02:29 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Tiberizzle wrote:

please learn to recognize your limits and paint within the lines fozzie, industry is most assuredly not your wheelhouse

I find this comment especially amusing as this is literally a case of painting within the lines that were determined by others. :sigh:


Fozzie: Of all the points made in this thread this is the one to which you reply?

A deep hole is being dug for null/low. Null sov now null industry.

Listen to those who actually engage in these activities on a daily basis.

New Eden Mining Blog
Nymblar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#117 - 2016-09-21 05:04:40 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Nymblar wrote:
So is my understanding correct that you can't allow the rorqual because the ART of a astrahus doesn't have a capital docking port? Yet you're still allowing Jump Freighters, a much larger ship to dock?

:psyduck:


This is incorrect, the largest Freighter is the Providence at 2,484 meters long-axis, second place is the Charon at 2,461m long axis. The Rorqual is 2,862m long-axis, and larger than either Freighter in every other dimension as well, being about twice as wide as a Charon and 2-3 times as thick.

Also the Rorqual is a true Capital with all of the restrictions there-in while Freighters are not.

The Astrahus specifically says that Capitals can't dock at it.


And JFs aren't true capitals because?
Nymblar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#118 - 2016-09-21 05:05:47 UTC
please use both sides of the paper and cite your sources
Lelob
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2016-09-21 05:33:26 UTC
**** miners and **** goons

Great announcement fozzie, +1, CCPL wins again
Queloor Zefram
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#120 - 2016-09-21 06:47:13 UTC
Denying a rorqual docking access to a Astrahus is the death of these ships in wh space.

Not every wormhole corp has a Fortizar. As a large pos was easy to set up and a rorqual easy to build even for a smaller group in C4 and lower class wh systems I guess there are a few rorquals in lower class wh space.

A fortizar citadel is neither easy to build nor easy to defend.

So in effect you do **** on every small wh space corp - not that CCP cares much about people living in wh space anyway.

So really please, you should seriously reconsider your decision, at least for wh space.