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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#261 - 2016-09-10 02:46:34 UTC
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Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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martin Adoulin
Doomheim
#262 - 2016-09-11 07:35:57 UTC  |  Edited by: martin Adoulin
Merc work isent dead, its just you. your limiting yourself to highsec. Honestly wtf ?! thats content for a 5man group of 2 year olds not a 500man alliance. you were the mercenary version of 8 year old pve player still running lvl4s in highsec for caldari navy.

Ask yourselves, was there ever any real risk in what you were doing? No ? well then everyone can do.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#263 - 2016-09-11 10:38:47 UTC
So much scorn over an area of operations.
Did you get your mission battleship badtocuhed by them or something?

Devil's choose to operate in high sec. What's wrong with that?
Is this one of those low/null/wh snobbery things again?

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#264 - 2016-09-11 16:55:27 UTC
martin Adoulin wrote:
Merc work isent dead, its just you. your limiting yourself to highsec. Honestly wtf ?! thats content for a 5man group of 2 year olds not a 500man alliance. you were the mercenary version of 8 year old pve player still running lvl4s in highsec for caldari navy.

Ask yourselves, was there ever any real risk in what you were doing? No ? well then everyone can do.

The anonymous forum alt hath spoken. Phear him!
Valkin Mordirc
#265 - 2016-09-11 18:09:41 UTC
martin Adoulin wrote:
Merc work isent dead, its just you. your limiting yourself to highsec. Honestly wtf ?! thats content for a 5man group of 2 year olds not a 500man alliance. you were the mercenary version of 8 year old pve player still running lvl4s in highsec for caldari navy.

Ask yourselves, was there ever any real risk in what you were doing? No ? well then everyone can do.



Pray tell what 500 man alliance is in Highsec and run mercenary contracts?


Because I've somehow seemed to have glossed over such are a large target.


Also with two Mercenary Factions currently in conflict with one another I would say they are okay with elevating risk.
#DeleteTheWeak
Barkley TYPE-R
Oppold Defence Force
#266 - 2016-09-19 20:49:39 UTC
Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#267 - 2016-09-19 22:01:46 UTC
Barkley TYPE-R wrote:
Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it

mate,
ive spent more time just watching targets than you have playing eve as a whole.
never mind finding or killing them.
you have 60 live wars and over 5 times our numbers.
please tell me of all the work you personally put into finding your targets

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#268 - 2016-09-19 22:12:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol epoch
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Barkley TYPE-R wrote:
Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it

mate,
ive spent more time just watching targets than you have playing eve as a whole.
never mind finding or killing them.
you have 60 live wars and over 5 times our numbers.
please tell me of all the work you personally put into finding your targets


I am probably one of the better informed to answer that question Ralph and to be honest the answer is not much is done to find targets, A few chars do send their alts out looking but not many do. It was something Myself and others tried to get people to do but as with everything in eve people are lazy not just Archetype.

As it stands at the moment I believe they are more interested in chasing Citadel contracts and structure bashing than pure merc work.

Don't forget I am only speaking of my time when I was there.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#269 - 2016-09-19 22:40:15 UTC
Sol epoch wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Barkley TYPE-R wrote:
Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it

mate,
ive spent more time just watching targets than you have playing eve as a whole.
never mind finding or killing them.
you have 60 live wars and over 5 times our numbers.
please tell me of all the work you personally put into finding your targets


I am probably one of the better informed to answer that question Ralph and to be honest the answer is not much is done to find targets, A few chars do send their alts out looking but not many do. It was something Myself and others tried to get people to do but as with everything in eve people are lazy not just Archetype.

As it stands at the moment I believe they are more interested in chasing Citadel contracts and structure bashing than pure merc work.

Don't forget I am only speaking of my time when I was there.

You tried really hard sitting in your absolution on Dixie undock daily.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
Barkley TYPE-R
Oppold Defence Force
#270 - 2016-09-20 05:56:01 UTC
Sorry mate
Wasn't doubting your pro ness , just ment just because you can't check you buddy list for a green light you shouldn't get to disheartened
As green light on buddy list then a locater telling you what system the tgt is in doesn't really add up to hunting ,
What alliance has the saying Adapt or Die
From your post your clearly unable to adapt.
But well done for playing for longer than me
Barkley TYPE-R
Oppold Defence Force
#271 - 2016-09-20 09:39:31 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Barkley TYPE-R wrote:
Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it

mate,
ive spent more time just watching targets than you have playing eve as a whole.
never mind finding or killing them.
you have 60 live wars and over 5 times our numbers.
please tell me of all the work you personally put into finding your targets



What I ment was stop moaning and do something different and if that doesn't work admit it's to much for you and it's you that's failed in what you want to do rather than the mechanics ,ie the fact that you can't just check your contact list for a green light ,
Make it to hard as you would have to pull your finger out and do some work .
But you have been playing long enough to know that . So was just saying
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#272 - 2016-09-21 03:02:22 UTC
Sol epoch wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Barkley TYPE-R wrote:
Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it

mate,
ive spent more time just watching targets than you have playing eve as a whole.
never mind finding or killing them.
you have 60 live wars and over 5 times our numbers.
please tell me of all the work you personally put into finding your targets


I am probably one of the better informed to answer that question Ralph and to be honest the answer is not much is done to find targets, A few chars do send their alts out looking but not many do. It was something Myself and others tried to get people to do but as with everything in eve people are lazy not just Archetype.

As it stands at the moment I believe they are more interested in chasing Citadel contracts and structure bashing than pure merc work.

Don't forget I am only speaking of my time when I was there.


No..we have broadened our line of work to include them. Besides, what better way to lure wts to a fight than to jeapardized something of such value..even then, many won't fight.

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Valkin Mordirc
#273 - 2016-09-21 04:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Barkley TYPE-R wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Barkley TYPE-R wrote:
Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it

mate,
ive spent more time just watching targets than you have playing eve as a whole.
never mind finding or killing them.
you have 60 live wars and over 5 times our numbers.
please tell me of all the work you personally put into finding your targets



What I ment was stop moaning and do something different and if that doesn't work admit it's to much for you and it's you that's failed in what you want to do rather than the mechanics ,ie the fact that you can't just check your contact list for a green light ,
Make it to hard as you would have to pull your finger out and do some work .
But you have been playing long enough to know that . So was just saying



Not trying to be a **** to another alliance member, so I'll put this as none harshly as possible.


When people say, "Lol just Adapt bro," what they are trying to say is, Use the tools still in game to make it work. Which is completely fine and understandable. We all get that.


What they don't understand is the Watchlist was the only tool there for a small wardeccing mercenary corp to compete and to find targets.

Your telling those people to adapt to a situation that no longer supports them in anyway, the play style they had previously. The removal over being able to track an online target, (Not a list of everyone you want to know is online or not those are two completely different things) hurts small corps, and forces everyone but the most dedicated in large merc alliances like Archetype, Marmite and VMG Public PIRATE and Free Kandy.

Which are the only active Mercenary Alliances around right now. Compared to last years Seven or Eight. If that drop doesn't at least throw up some warning signs about how healthy Highsec is. I don't know what to say to make you understand that it's not good.

Last year, we had, Forsaken, P45, Logitech, VMG, Marmite, Absolute, Devils, Public, PIRATE, Bad Neighbors Allibaitors, Pursuit of Happiness, BAW, plus 20 or small smaller wardecing corps like my own Abysmal Gentlemen, and Xris' group that all functioned in highsec.

Some of these alliance disbanned, not due to mechanic changes, some disbanned quietly on their own, others were ripped up by other mercenaries. However that fracture did not make smaller wardecing groups. Rather the members moved into other area's of EVE, or into other Merc groups.

Forsaken went to VMG and P45, P45 broke off from Marmtie, Absolute broke off into P45 and Archetype. Marmite broke off a part of it going to P45 and VMG. POH disbanned and went to VMG or Archetype. Logi tech broke and went to VMG, or Archetype, Bad Neighbors went to VMG or Marmite. Allibaitors went to Archetype, Devils are inactive, BAW, is inactive.


No one is asking for a Watch List back. We don't want that, We understand why it had to be removed. However what we want is a way to track online targets.


Also Adapt or Die, Delete the Weak is a Marmite thing mainly.
#DeleteTheWeak
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#274 - 2016-09-21 08:41:25 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Barkley TYPE-R wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Barkley TYPE-R wrote:
Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it

mate,
ive spent more time just watching targets than you have playing eve as a whole.
never mind finding or killing them.
you have 60 live wars and over 5 times our numbers.
please tell me of all the work you personally put into finding your targets



What I ment was stop moaning and do something different and if that doesn't work admit it's to much for you and it's you that's failed in what you want to do rather than the mechanics ,ie the fact that you can't just check your contact list for a green light ,
Make it to hard as you would have to pull your finger out and do some work .
But you have been playing long enough to know that . So was just saying



Not trying to be a **** to another alliance member, so I'll put this as none harshly as possible.


When people say, "Lol just Adapt bro," what they are trying to say is, Use the tools still in game to make it work. Which is completely fine and understandable. We all get that.


What they don't understand is the Watchlist was the only tool there for a small wardeccing mercenary corp to compete and to find targets.

Your telling those people to adapt to a situation that no longer supports them in anyway, the play style they had previously. The removal over being able to track an online target, (Not a list of everyone you want to know is online or not those are two completely different things) hurts small corps, and forces everyone but the most dedicated in large merc alliances like Archetype, Marmite and VMG Public PIRATE and Free Kandy.

Which are the only active Mercenary Alliances around right now. Compared to last years Seven or Eight. If that drop doesn't at least throw up some warning signs about how healthy Highsec is. I don't know what to say to make you understand that it's not good.

Last year, we had, Forsaken, P45, Logitech, VMG, Marmite, Absolute, Devils, Public, PIRATE, Bad Neighbors Allibaitors, Pursuit of Happiness, BAW, plus 20 or small smaller wardecing corps like my own Abysmal Gentlemen, and Xris' group that all functioned in highsec.

Some of these alliance disbanned, not due to mechanic changes, some disbanned quietly on their own, others were ripped up by other mercenaries. However that fracture did not make smaller wardecing groups. Rather the members moved into other area's of EVE, or into other Merc groups.

Forsaken went to VMG and P45, P45 broke off from Marmtie, Absolute broke off into P45 and Archetype. Marmite broke off a part of it going to P45 and VMG. POH disbanned and went to VMG or Archetype. Logi tech broke and went to VMG, or Archetype, Bad Neighbors went to VMG or Marmite. Allibaitors went to Archetype, Devils are inactive, BAW, is inactive.


No one is asking for a Watch List back. We don't want that, We understand why it had to be removed. However what we want is a way to track online targets.


Also Adapt or Die, Delete the Weak is a Marmite thing mainly.

It also hurt tracking down wh targets (just trust me on that one). On the bright side it's made log off traps more viable because nobody notices when 6 WT's suddenly log off randomly

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Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#275 - 2016-09-21 11:14:23 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Barkley TYPE-R wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
[quote=Barkley TYPE-R]Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it

mate,
ive spent more time just watching targets than you have playing eve as a whole.
never mind finding or killing them.
you have 60 live wars and over 5 times our numbers.
please tell me of all the work you personally put into finding your targets


No one is asking for a Watch List back.

You are wrong about that.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#276 - 2016-09-21 12:17:29 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
No one is asking for a Watch List back.
You are wrong about that.

He meant nobody serious - specifically Ralph is not asking for it back.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Valkin Mordirc
#277 - 2016-09-21 14:43:44 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Barkley TYPE-R wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
[quote=Barkley TYPE-R]Hunting is hunting if that what you want to do go out and make it work don't moan that the buddy list doesn't tell you who's online
Before making the Dec active do you recces active players, common locations build the int pic and if that's too hard for you implant the spy
You will get what you put in these carebears don't want to give you an expensive killmail you have to work for it

mate,
ive spent more time just watching targets than you have playing eve as a whole.
never mind finding or killing them.
you have 60 live wars and over 5 times our numbers.
please tell me of all the work you personally put into finding your targets


No one is asking for a Watch List back.

You are wrong about that.



If you are, then your one of few.


I don't want it back. Ralph or any one Devils want it back. Most people in my alliance don't want it back.


All I want personally is a way to tell if a single person is online at some cost.
#DeleteTheWeak
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#278 - 2016-09-21 16:02:07 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:

All I want personally is a way to tell if a single person is online at some cost.

Same. Except why should there be a cost? People in the real world don't just vanish. I'm supposed to bleed time or ISK to find out if the dude I was literally just looking at vanished into the ether?

This change forced me (and by extension my entire corp) out of wormhole space.

I also cancelled all my yearly subscriptions so I can reevaluate whether or not they are really necessary...

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#279 - 2016-09-21 16:36:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike Adoulin
Confirming that it pretty much killed my (very) small wardec corp. Might have to relocate to null. Might join one of the big merc alliances. Might actually learn how to station trade and make da big iskies (bleh).

Not. Happy.

Sad

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#280 - 2016-09-22 00:03:29 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Confirming that it pretty much killed my (very) small wardec corp. Might have to relocate to null. Might join one of the big merc alliances. Might actually learn how to station trade and make da big iskies (bleh).

Not. Happy.

Sad

My small corp has just moved to null....we're recruiting.....

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

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