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You say this yet at the same time miners are dead set against any changes to the ships to make them actually able to defend themselves.

You say this yet at the same time miners are dead set against any changes to the ships to make them actually able to defend themselves.

Thanks for speaking on behalf of miners.

What miners are concerned about is the reasonable relationship between risk and reward.

Seems that some folks think mining vessels should be PvP ships with a slightly expanded cargo or ore hold.

That makes no sense. Miners aren't "bitching" about having it both ways, we're stating that we want the risk reasonable, something more reasonable than fielding a 2-billion ISK squishy target for pseudo-PvP.

I wouldn't put Star Citizen in the same league as EVE. Also, NMS is 'a tad less' than what the developers promised. And when I say 'a tad less' I mean: it sucks balls. Big ones.

However, I do understand and agree with your concern and these changes are rather baffling.

Any change should reflect a necessary change for the improvement of the dynamic in the system and I don't see how removing one mining pylon on a Hulk is going to make it a better activity.

The last pass was uncomfortable at first but then I saw the sense behind it and those changes were actually quite good. It made the barges something you wanted to have instead of having ship like the Procurer that was essentially worthless.

Now we get a different set of changes, the use of which does not make a lot of sense to me.

CCP Fozzie, friend, why is this happening?

Why did you not do something that would propagate throughout the New Eden demesne in the way minerals were added to the ship-building experience as described, by myself, here: Ore acle

I support innovations, I want to support good innovations.

Yeah, I wouldn't put Star Citizen with Eve online either. Star citizen is a revolutionary game aiming at the future. EVERYONE is going to be playing a game with infinite possibilities. Why would you still play Eve (a spreadsheet game) when you can actually have the immersion you been looking for? unless you don't have the computer power to play such a game, then I would understand the need to still play EVE. A dying old dog =/

You either miss the point or are simply trolling.

Because it might be able to go toe-to-toe with a particular gang size and composition doesn't mean the risk becomes reasonable because folks hunting for Rorqs will come with a crew to do the job and the key point is that with the Industrial Core green it will be a sitting duck, regardless of how long it has to sit.

Given you are playing a pvp based game it makes sense for mining barges to be pvp capable. We have miners here bitching about having to put assets in harms way while at the same time arguing their ships should be helpless if caught.

A natural follow on to that is that my Epithal, Miasmos, Providence etc should all have a rack of turrets and fighter bay then?

I'd love my freighter to have Capital sized Pulses with the ultimate in tracking speeds 8/4/6 should do it :)

actually the changes force me to stop mining .... maybe stop playing as well

if you go for max yield and don't pop out drones, yer yield is simply less.