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One thing which might be interesting on a proc or skiff is a target spectrum breaker:
If there are 20 cats trying to lock on, a bunch of them won't complete the lock. The barge would have to trade a tank mod for it, making it more vulnerable to things like Vexors and Talos, or maybe Rupture or autoNado or Oracle if the barge is nice enough to leave a resist hole.
The other flavors of barges won't have enough hitpoints for that to matter. Nobody's going to bring 20 cats to kill a hulk.

Ok so you feel its unfair when 10 people coordinate to kill a ship that might as well be unarmed, that your ship gets killed.

The examples I pointed to are not 10 people enjoying coordinated small-gang hunting gameplay. This is typicaly one player vs one player -- just one is multiboxing to get an advantage.

In the 10:1 scenario they are 1 person, flying 11 or more accounts, rarely 2 players. They loose 20-25 mil in ships (10 x 2mil) to kill 200mil in ships. It's even cheaper for them in a 5:1 gank.

Their gameplay is:

1. Hunt thru space for targets that can't defend themselves.
2. Fly cloaked fleeted alt near miner.
3. Fleet-warp squad to cloaked alt
4. Lock 1 target, click "fire grouped weapons" on each of your 10 windows. The mental load of doing this is not particularly high, unlike real PVP.
5. Miner dies. Suicide ships die.
6. Fleet warp out suicide PODs.
7. Gloat in local what great pilots they are.

The solo miner's gameplay is

1. 2-10 ships descend on you, go flashy red and start firing, interrupting your preferred gameplay.
2. Try and unlock your rocks so you can then go lock a ship attacking you.
3. Wait for lock. Wait more for lock.
4. Tell your drones to hit attack or jam a ship if you're not using mining drones.
5. Know you have no chance and that concord will be too late. Die.
6. Try and focus to warp out your POD so at least you don't loose your implants.
7. Depending what ship you lost, realize you probably have 1,000 minutes or more of mining to rebuy your ship.
8. If you were doing other similar style gameplay while mining - like updating your market orders, contracts, industry jobs, PI, reading forums, researching new fits, working on your training queue, chances are good you're not trigger-focused enough to react in time and so throw up your hands having lost your ship or ship and pod. Your normal gameplay rhythm is based on how long you can do other tasks until you have to unload cause your ore/cargo hold is full.

If you notice it happening and try to defend yourself you get an adrenaline rush for disappointment as you die and count your loss in your head.

Totally different than the positive adrenaline rush that makes real PVP addictive.

M8 you can't seriously be suggesting that you, a crab, a cow, a grazing herd animal that refuses to defend itself has any platform to stand on when it gets killed by its natural predators.

Miners form part of the food chain: the bottom.

Really? What source provided your ship? The ship fairy? Ya know, it's times like this I wish all miners would wake up, realize we're EVE's backbone and protest by unsubbing for a few months. Forcing you weak and pathetic so-called PvPers to fight against ships with a snowball's chance in hell of doing anything other than saying "Oh well, there goes 300+ million" and try to save one's pod.

Seriously, can I have a hit of that bong/crackpipe you're OBVIOUSLY hitting?

Vote NO to being a suffering slave 2016, turn in your mining related skills and ships for production and station trading....Let's unite and teach the so-called 'real players' a lesson in life once and for all.

I really cannot get over how deranged and entitled what you said is. There are nullsec corporations that regularly run their own mining ops with PVP characters contributing if able to. Even the most rudimentary mining frigate can still put forward materials for building ships.

This has got to be trolling for sure, the clarion call for miners to unionise and stop doing the thing they live off is just laughable. B-5R proved something also - there is so much surplus material lying around that even trillions of isk worth of damage done can be floated on the open market, totally ignoring the thousands of potential supers worth of minerals already set aside for the task in the first case.

Well you can drop max mining cycle efficiency by doing away with mining upgrades and fitting a semi decent tank... what I miss are the volume of ore you can carry..... :/

can u give us a break down basicaly sayign how much ice and ore it mines per houre like you did in a old devblog when u made mining barge changes

That's because "have friends" is just the party line. It never happens in-game but it sounds great and it can be used to deadlock threads like there is no tomorrow

Before taking an argument on face value, always check if the one(s) posting it knows what he or she is talking about- it'll be a real eyeopener [giggle]

Except for you know, those lovely Dev blogs showing how much mining actually goes on in Null sec areas. Hint, it's actually about as much as goes on in high sec. Though hard to separate entirely as some of those regions cover multiple sec status regions. But there is plenty of mining in null, despite your claims otherwise.