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Yes. That would indeed be a possibility and I personally do not see a huge problem with that for following reasons: (1) high price - while I do not consider price a balancing factor (and neither do devs as far as I have seen) it is also not irrelevant thing either in everyday life of EVE, (2) the numbers are comparable to the current very restricted Alpha capabilities with the cruisers, (3) the setup has vulnerabilities which can be used to counter it with similar numbers but a bit cheaper fits for the pvp purposes, most notable ofc the ability to kill some drones and/or severy limit their effectivity by outrunning the worms and/or its drones, (4) if talking about my initial three post wall of text proposal specifically these worms would be unable to assign drones so it is not possible to easily abuse that swarm by running multiple clients simultaneously and have one or two "triggers" directing all that dps in half automated way. Ofc my initial proposal also consisted a suggestion to limit Alphas to max two simultaneous accounts logged in at the same time, if technically feasible. As far as I understand the dev answers here and elsewhere there might be some technical difficulties with that one though.


Actually this example worm fit is a very good example, in my opinion, why an unrestricted T1 frigate limited Alpha would be OK. It is actually competitive with T2 AF fits in some scenarios which is exactly one of the points I have been driving for. An AF fit that is comparable in its capabilities is somewhat cheaper than the reasonably pimp pirate hull, meaning that the Omega has advantage - because he has to grind for less time for achieving that than Alpha but Alpha can get close enough to have a good possibility of winning the engagement just at the greater time (grind) investment.

I believe such a worm fit would be fun to fly for Alphas. They would win some engagements, there is a significant amount of grind-time on line for them so they would probably get pretty good adrenaline rush out of it and if that is what they are after they would get hooked in EVE. A fast combat with small ships is one of the best things the EVE can offer for a pilot trying out EVE. There is A LOT of pilot individual skill involved, meaning a lot of potential to "git guud", the pilot can in general pick his/her engagements and is slippery enough to escape if Omegas bring overwhelming force while the setup has enough bite to punish anyone who thinks "lol its just dozen frigates".

Yes. The reason why I believe this would be fine is that in my opinion the theoretical possibility of reaching such levels would draw in more fresh players than the number of current Omegas un-subbing because they could have as much fun as they currently do if the T1 frigates could be piloted, in essence, unrestricted. The core point of my entire proposal is that being able to have "as much fun" as Omega can in a given niche (which is a frigate specific content in EVE) is better for player retention and for luring in new players than the current heavily limited hulls up to cruiser size with a racial lock for a character starter race.

Such a theoretical 15 man roam would be an outstanding success of the whole system!

Cash for skills was mainly used by vets to dump unwanted skill points and did not lead to any great influx of new players, perhaps the idea of paying a sub then needing to fork out extra cash for skills did not have that much appeal to new players.

Who'd a thunk it?

If cash for skills had been successful CCP would not be offering this ham-strung version of 'free to play'

If 'inadequate' skill points are seen as the main sticking point for new players who want to experience all that that the game has to offer, then why not take the radical step of giving all players all the skill points?

This would change the game from a 'time-cash-sink' into one where player ingenuity is the primary skill.

We are on that slippery slope anyway, so for Pete's sake just get on with it.

The constant whittling away of the original game ethos is just annoying.

CCP cut to the end game and just do it!

Thanks much appreciated

Yea it's basically current trial with more constraints and without time limit. For genuinly new players it's probably nice, for anyone else ... yea (putting aside all potential multiboxing / free alts issues aside ...).

What the Hell, they can always sub too ya know.

So according to you the first 6 months you subscribe now you can't do much as you dont have the skills, access to the right modules and standing to do anything worth while, must be sad that the only way you can to anything is in an officer fit faction hull

People use multiple PCs (physical or virtual). They need to do more (if possible) ... the "it is possible with trials today argument" is void here, because Alphas don't expire and are much more valuable to rectify the effort.

Or they think wow this is cool, If i sub i get access to everything and those shiny faction hulls to, You know the way it's designed to work to lure people in.

Doesn't matter how you try and not sugar coat something, Its designed for new players and not to entice already subbed to add copious amounts of alts in game.

I remember when I started Eve I knew it takes years to train the skills.
That was actually the biggest reason I started Eve, I wanted to play a game that isn't over in six months like majority of games today.
When I ask why someone doesn't play Eve is that they worry that it takes 25 years to train everything to max level,
and they could never catch those who have started earlier.

Most new players don't understand that the reason why they can't do mission X or win that pvp fight is that they
don't have corpmates who fly with them, not the lack of skills.

I'm not sure if this is covered so here's my opinion about multiboxing.
I think you should not be allowed to log in more than one alpha clone at the time.
The alpha clone is targeted to new players and they need to learn that if they need more than one ship, well they need friends then not multiple accounts what they use to solo for six months and then quit Eve because it's boring.

If an old player with multiple accounts wants to look what Eve is now,
well he doesn't need more than one account at the time for that or to sell assets to plex or just to chat with old corpmates.

You shouldn't be allowed to log in an alpha clone with omega clone(s).
You are not allowed to do it with trial accounts either.