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I run 14 accounts in a mining fleet using ISBoxer as window management, I don't use anything that is considered bannable by the eula or tos or even devs.

Only way I have been able to play for a while was on XP but you then removed abilities to play through that with the removal of the "old" launcher. Now your removing the only way I actualy enjoy playing this game and that's by sitting back and having a drink talking in ts3 to my friends. Now how am I supposed to micro manage all these accounts if you remove ISBoxer all together?

Why not have your devs make a version of ISBoxer you can control "though ital take about a week to make and test" and publish it along side the new clone types your pushing out in November? Your giving the player base less insentives to run paid accounts by giving us free accounts and removeing the bulk of the heavy lifters out of the game by the disabilities of ISBoxer players.

Get your devs to make a ccp owned and managed version of window management software that runs on eve exclusively please or iv got to shave half my accounts, probably more to be able to manage the accounts

You're very right, sorry to take the discussion off-topic. I would recommend that if you're having specific launcher issues that you post in the Eve Launcher forum or make a support ticket here.

I do not intend or mean to offend anyone in the gaming industry, knowing there are always in any company hard working folks who deliver greatness, so every CCP employee and moderator should take what I say as such; the observation and experiences of a single person which might or might not factually represent the widespread issues.

Vitank, you've successfully identified a core issue with the gaming industry once high-bandwidth internet became readily available and server storage increased while price went down. The sad state of the gaming industry is to be held at lower standards than the rest of the working economy. It's like the running gag in the music industry where the engineer says "I'll fix it in the mix" just several times worse. So many things nowadays are half-hearted, half-finished and are proceeded to be patched in the upcoming days.
I cannot confirm or deny statements which have been made about "people who don't get a real job at programming go into the gaming industry" and neither do I have an opinion about it, nor can I allow myself to have an opinion about it.
What does make me think though, is when company after company shows clearly how they would not survive in any other sector but the gaming industry where sloppy code, insufficient QA and bad development decisions are nothing the consumer can do anything about. I want to be certain, and I want to believe how CCP devs do everything to the best of their ability. Sad as it is though, this doesn't mean the effort done is good enough to match a reasonable standard.

Now when I look at the rate of how the last decade went in the entirety of products inside and outside the gaming industry, I don't exactly know where to place the aforementioned sentiments. I don't know if the gaming industry is just as bad off but everyone else regressed, or if the remaining industry progressed just at a faster rate than the gaming industry. I believe both applies, depending on where one looks.

I do owe great respect to certain CCP employees and their work while I openly frown towards others.
In the end, everyone needs to make ends meet. The only thing I will always question hard is how much freedom a company can take out on their consumers before it turns against them to a degree where they can no longer operate as functional or as flourishing as they once could.
Certainly, not everything is about money. I'd rather live average knowing to do the good thing than sell my ethics and morals only to live in temporary wealth. But this is the gaming industry. This is the gaming community. Contrary to popular belief and polarization of forum / reddit discussion, the majority of gamers are just decent blokes who just want to enjoy their past time activity, unwinding from a (maybe) lousy day at work.

Confirmed; even further, the Launcher embeds a direct interface to the login server (the SSO) so the Launcher doesn't even see the password. It extracts the reply, the access token, and passes on to the exefile, and knows what account this is to build the list of accounts.

G'day,
... as much as I support CCPs intent to make the game safer, there still is the BIG issue of forcing the players to use an instrument that just does not do its job more often than not.

Running the .exe file works, provided the version is up-to-date. This is solid.

The launcher in its current (un)development stage

• forgets all my account data on a two-day-average (counting very leniently!).
• regularly fails to update itself on the first attempt
• forgets every other day to which server it is supposed to connect (showing the white "oops"-square).

Since I am not running any fancy and/or exotic hardware and a run-of-the-mill Windows 10 system I can not believe that this behaviour is a "special feature" which my end of the line is responsible for.


Suggestion to CCP:
Make the launcher work properly first, force people to use it only when it works the way it is intended.

You are right.

However, there is a lot of concern about the launcher issues. Which the Launcher forum does address, but it is a nightmare to look through at times. It's nice that new posts often get a link to posts that have already been dealt with or a work around exists although it's frustrating to occur to anyone who has honestly tried to search through solutions. General solution guides are 'general' even though they do address the seemingly common issues people have.

Sadly, everyone computer is different and run different programs. Performance optimizers, including network and internet types, would be my guess to a lot of the problems, as well as the mess found with out-of-the-box computers. These sort of things can't really be addressed, at least not realistically. Finding popular or common hardware/software issues that may effect the functionality of the launcher and the game itself, and since it's windows that this is the issue, will result in the solution not working or making the problem worse. it only gets worse the longer that version of windows has been active, more noticeably so on computers with a heavy installation/uninstallation history. This only becomes worse under windows 8 and especially 10. Obviously your not Microsoft, but finding programs which can, or at least potentially, create problems and offering solutions to assist in establishing stability of the game, and avoid lawsuits, should be painfully explored.

My two cents for suggestions: I'd suggest a more thorough job of the uninstaller purging files and folders. A better cache purge, an option oriented network troubleshooter that can automate implementation of the solutions, in simple terms. A diagnostic is not the same. An internal log checker, to see if necessary settings have been changed, especially network settings and links, which many things modify that do effect the functionality of CCP software. Even a separate program that can be downloaded, outside of the main program, could work outside of the game, with an 'users risk' clause. Yes, there is third party software, but who knows the program better?

I used to get paid money to fix this type of problem, now I only charge friends and family a free meal to fix pretty much any sort of computer software problems now that I've pretty much retired from the computer industry, mostly.

Just run a VPN from home.

The new launcher doesn't render for me in Wine; if I can't login from the game itself I think I'm boned.

We don't want SP we just want an easy and reliable way of logging into the game... which we all ready have but it seems CCP don't like people having easy ways of doing anything.

sure...since when the launcher tells me i'm not connected after the socket closed (since a 100m/bit connection 1 flighthour away from the server obviously is not enough to hold the connection even tho not a single other game/program ever have issues with that and also having opened all Ports CCP suggested^^) while i got no problems connecting just over the *.exe file at the same moment makes me and not the launcher the problem. your logic is truely epic. especially after happening with 2 different computers over a year now on different OS and ISP's. How CCP ever could make something unpolished.... lol