EVE New Citizens Q&A

I'd like to focus on that one little segment, to demonstrate an area where CCP is seemingly at cross purposes with itself: Citadels as the desired structure to replace NPC stations as market hubs with fees being already increased at NPC stations as a way of encouraging people to move their trade over to citadels.

Recently, it became possible to create courier contracts to citadels. The instant a courier accepts the contract and puts up the collateral for it, the station owner can change the access control list to deny the courier, or all pilots from docking. This results in the courier either voluntarily failing the contract and losing the collateral, or the contract issuer waiting out the contract timer, and then failing the contract themselves to collect the collateral.

Side point: Many of these citadels used for scam contracts are set up with a name mimicking/impersonating an NPC entity and station name, in violation of point 8 in the EVE Online - Terms of Service.

As a courier, I won't take contracts I don't have reasonable confidence that I'll complete successfully (seriously, why would I?) and currently, with the situation as it is, I have zero confidence in courier contracts to citadels and won't accept them.

How are you going to get citadels to be successful replacement market hubs to existing NPC stations if the game mechanics undermine couriers' confidence and trust like this?

Fleet Command V pilots unite.

First time i read a post based upon a such completely biased and idyosincratic point of view about this game.


- Never grant corporation rights to stuff you can't afford to lose either. No exceptions
- People offering free stuff? Probably traps. Be cautious.
- If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Paranoia pays off here. Double-check everything.
- Scamming and unethical behavior some would consider griefing is not only allowed, it is encouraged and rewarded by the game mechanics
- There is no such thing as "a fair fight" or "an unfair fight". There's only a fight. Circumstances are irrelevant.


Tyvm to tell us how we have to play this game and to affirm that we shouldnt be confident ("no exceptions") even with others players who are now our friends after a long time we play with them ....

happily i don't live in the game that CCP Phantom or any others CCP employees wan't for me but in the game i decided to build in their game. And there's a HUGE difference betwwen the two versions of this game.

- In my own game i have a lot of friends/ in their game we are all foe and alone.
- In my game I trust my friends and they trust me / in their game we spent our time to be anxious and suscpicious each others.
- In my game 99% of my friends will never even think about betray me or to betray their others friends / In their game it's impossible to build any community cause all my corpmates want to stole my assets or to gank me.
- In the game i have build in Eve i can tell to my friends irl or to their childrens to come and to have fun / in the game that ccp wan't for us I will never invite any of my friends and certainly not their childrens cause most my friends irl and more genreally most of the ppl just don't wan't to play a game where u HAVE to roleplay a scammer, a grieffer, a suicide ganker, a cloacky perma-camper and so on ...

In summary, we - me and my game's friends - and that guy of CCP who wrote this post we really don't share the same game's values, but he still affirm that his conceptions of the game are the "golden rules" of Eve ?

No, it's not, it's just the conceptions of the CCP staff certainly not the credo of the majority of the players of Eve ... So, please : stop to tell us how to play our game !

Jade

PS : And last but not least, is it possible that programers or ppl from CCP's marketing make a less frequent usage for a mere game purposes of words which refer to concepts that they really don't understand such as "paranoia", and stop in the same time to encourage ppl to adopt a behaviour which is a real and heavy disease irl ? ... let the use of these register of words to real life and to competent ppl - as clinicians or psy - and keep yourself in your domains of competence : computing and gaming ...

PPS : and sry for my approximative english ;)

・So, kindly ask the victor what you could have done better.

Play long enough and a one week skill is a short skill

Yeah.. meanwhile JDC 5/TWR 5 :PI think by this time you just stop caring and are half way on the road to 'bittervet' :P

I followed a link from the DEV where he posted this to provide some context :

Trying to come up with a any set of rules for EVE Online is not only difficult, but almost impossible. That said, the community (and especially Akita T, thank you!) were able to compile some solid, good guidelines based on years of experience.

So , don't take these "rules" as commandments set in stone. You seem to have found your own set of rules which work so good for you, and makes sense if everyone does the same.

Mate, step back from the keyboard, calm down, and stop flinging vitriol at a man doing his best to inform you.
was in response to an incinerated post, see below

These aren't so much "rules" as "guidelines you would be dumb to not follow."

Not following these guidelines is how you set yourself up to faceplant hard.

CCP Phantom,

While much of this is wise advice and I appreciate the sentiment. I must contend with these particular points above; not because I think 'griefing' should not be done. But rather because it seeks to legitimise it morally. As there are two different forms of PvP. Consenting and non-consenting PvP... I completely reject your initial premise that undocking implies consent to all manner of PvP, because, I reserve full discretion in regard to my own consent - and regard anything less than this as an infringement upon my own empowerment.

By this I do not mean to say that I would impose upon mine-bumpers, suicide gankers, scammers, and thieves to discontinue their deeds. What I mean to say is that we should not buy into the notion that these are moral or ethical behaviours. We should not buy into the notion that we ought to congratulate or respect any such persons. As I reserve full discretion in this matter also... Such players are designated as criminals for a reason - and I don't believe it proper or acceptable to lessen the implications of this.

The reason why high sec space was created was so that players would have an environment to pursue PvE without the full impacts of highly adversarial PvP. I hold to the ideal that if a player is paying money to play the game, then, they should be able to play the game however they choose. Should such players which to engage in PvE then should they not be allowed to do so?

In fact, there is a certain degree of cowardice in fighting a non-consenting opponent. Because, such players manipulate the terms of their PvP actions within a narrow frame. By essentially attacking their victim's livelihood - and limiting their means of accumulating the war materiel necessary to fight consenting PvP battles. Yet, should the tables be turned, and these criminals find their own livelihoods threatened they would quickly discover what a bitter experience this could be.

Essentially, just because an action is possible does not mean that it ought to be regarded as acceptable. Futhermore, the nature of PvP within the EVE universe does not preclude the possibility of counter PvP, such as: Declaring War on criminal gangs, Bounty Hunting, and Counter-Piracy. Should the law-abiding folk of New Eden rally to the cause of giving these greifers a taste of their own medicine, we could consign these criminals to null space where they belong.