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And the funny thing is even fully tanked that Alphas venture can be one or two shotted by a suicide thrasher.

The reality that you will see hordes of ventures mining and then dying to thrasher gankers is huge. It is much greater a drive to upgrade to a more sane fit.

As for null, I mined in a venture in null once. It lasted a few days for a few hours and I was like OMG no!! PS I just didnt have the barge up there at the time but a buddy had a venture hull he gave me, not lack of skills.

"Schadenfreude Fatigue".

Given their latest "update" blog for these F2P changes, it seems CCP is just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks, and their plan was not fleshed-out much, even though it has a delivery date. The CSM was bypassed until after-the-fact again.. big surprise.

This change will not save Eve. It will probably increase subscription numbers and overall PCU for a little bit. But it's just a gimmick to feed the few elite, tricking players into thinking they can be anything when in reality all they will be is fodder for gankers ~content creators~. Revenue is what Eve needs to sustain itself. But this change will not provide that, just inflated numbers. This is just a predictable and desperate Hail Mary Pass before the big game loss.

Sigh. It's a good try though.

The problem may in fact not be with the clones, but with the multiboxing. And despite automation and scripting being outlawed, I am convinced there's still more than a few out there running such setups. Either that or my rig is getting really old because I can't see 28 clients running simultaneously and still respond at a moment's notice.

Free alts may not be the problem; they'll merely demonstrate the full capabilities of multiboxing while taking away the associated pricetag.

I for one am very curious to see how this plays out...

Here's my views on this update

1) no new players
2) old players with 50 accounts to gank or mine out regions
3) the loss of most of the normal players in eve to #1 and #2

You should've just fixed the screw up to begin with when the Chinese players were free to join the rest of us for that 1 week , where plexs went from a managble 200-250 mil (which someone that works can do easily every month by running 20 or so lvl 4 missions) to an enraging 800-850 million for a plex (which no one that works can do running lvl 4s and would seriously cut into family time even running incursions )


Keep the subscription but set a price lock on the plexs cant be sold for over 300 million or something .

If this does go through I can almost guarantee the game will be free to play for everyone cause all that will be in here are Chinese gold farmers , or huge groups of gankers , 1 account that's paid and 20-30 accounts that are free 30 t1 destroyers would be able to kill about anything .



End quote " The Massive quest for more money has left me with nothing ........"



na really I work and honestly I haven't played eve in a few years , I toss cash at it then train skills , Id like to do worm holes but during a server crash my ship and myself were reset to a station I was in prior to assaulting a wormhole that I had been in for a year or so waiting to get my station stuff in to take it over as my own , id love to live in null sec but as I said I work and cant get on everyday so what ever effort I made would be gone when logging in after getting home from work , I work out of town sometimes 3 days away from my pc , people on government assistance do spend money , but they like to eat also , and have cable ect so uyour limited to a certain amount of a welfare check or disability in your game funding , those of us that work don't just throw money away if its just going to get destroyed .

so ya its a rough choice - id personaly just cap the plexs so normal players can buy them , the lower price would allow people to pay for a sub with little effort and would not lead to hordes of ticked off paying players for losing a 2-3 bil ship to a free loader .


just my views - iwork and pay bills and still manage to buy 6 plexs every month or 2 - I will not be buying the plexs if the free players are allowed to fly anything more then they are now on a trial account - but I only have like fighter bomber lvl 5 to train before being done with training unless I go over min bs 5 ,


I was told to post this thread here not to create a new thread lol spend 104 bucks a month on the game and still get yelled at by ISP guys ( whats wrong with the game? hmm)

"Please use the existing feedback thread at this location instead of creating a new thread for the same topic. Thank you.

Thread closed.

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There is nothing stopping this now, if I understand your suggestion. Such a system would be an inverse of the SRP programs many corporations/alliances already have.

I still see names I know who have few braincells to rub together. Many names are absent since the transition to the new forums / summer of rage but there is still people in EVE whose posts are worth noting. Not all of them are enthusiastic about this but most seem to be surprisingly OK.

I didn't want pissing contest mate, I fully respect your experience and glad that you have them so you can see the difference in both games properly.

But seriously, do you feel that 5m SP capped players with no access to T2 will have more appealing experience and reason to spend cash for full sub than somone who leveled to 20 in WOW?

If you feel that alpha toons in eve will have more fun than what WOW noobs can enjoy up to lvl 20, then fair enough. I accept we see things differently and won't claim you are wrong.

Just personally, I feel that WOW has a lot more to offer up to lvl 20 than EVE does up to 5m SP (and NO T2).

As for being 'farmed' pvp wise, yes pvp vets in EVE will kill anyone regardless of SP (and can be killed by anyone too). But the limitations on these alpha toons are just too extremely severe.

I feel the biggest issue here is gonna be, as stated, new players encountering a paywall as soon as they try out PvP and realize they've been wrecked by modules they can't use unless they pay. They will scream P2W from every rooftop, and Eve's reputation will plummet. If they're gonna do free to play (they are, don't get your little head confused with terminology like "alpha", and see it for what it is), they have to do it right- and if they do, it could be a COLOSSAL boon for the game, surpassing anything we've seen before.


"But Aehren, you gorgeous minx, how would CCP go about this F2P utopia of which you speak?"


Simple, darling.


(Numbers below are PLACEHOLDERS and ELASTIC. And calm your inevitably tumultuous ****, and read all the below before quoting a single line with criticism- a lot of these rely on the entire framework to work.)



1. No multiple accounts for Alphas. At all. No Alpha + Alpha, no Alpha + Omega. None. Only permittable (active) multiple accounts are Omega + Omega. Introduce a returning player mechanic that grants a free week as an omega for returning accounts that have been unsubbed for more than X months.

2. Remove limitations on skill training. Alpha accounts train whatever the hell they want, just like we do now, with one exception.

3. Alpha Skillpoint acquisition speed exponentially decreases as total SP goes up. These numbers can be whatever, but let's say 80% speed at less than 5m, 60% from 5-10m, 40% at 10-20m (or 10m+). Alternatively, set it to a flat 50% training speed (but his might make training seem excessively long for new players, hence the above).

4. Alpha accounts have considerably increased jump clone timers.

5. Alpha accounts cannot train into or use capitals.

6. No skill extraction on Alpha accounts. Omega accounts can only use extractors after being subbed for a consecutive 3 (4? 10?) months.


******* BAM. Results?

- New players don't hit a paywall until they're considering training into capitals, by which point they're invested into the game enough to not see it as P2W as they understand the differences between cap and subcap combat.

- New players don't feel like it's P2W, as they can train into whatever that guy was using to kill them, without paying.

- New players have a real incentive to sub, as it doubles training speed. Older players have an incentive to stay subbed, as they can't use caps OR ALTS without (just like now).

- Older players can't abuse this at all. They want a cyno alt? PI alts? Skill farm alts? Sub it, like you do now. Nothing changes for us.

-Newer players wanting alts will have to sub. If you like the game enough to go to the effort of juggling multiple accounts for an edge, you can pay for it. No dramas.

There's one issue I can see with this (and doubtlessly a few I can't); vets with perfect skills who don't care for alts and only stick around for subcap combat. CCP would lose those subs, as they probably wouldn't find jump clone timers that important in general to pay for. If some of you have ideas for a limitation that would incentivize these people subbing (but not force it), that would be great. That being said, I'd think the amount of fresh blood and subs coming in would make up for the loss in that area.

In my opinion this sounds quite reasonable, however, I do think that there should be a ship size restriction to some degree under capitals as well at least. Giving the free players battleships and T2 ships and most importantly - mining barges could be quite disruptive to the economy. Predominantly for PvE reasons - it would make it viable for Alphas to run incursions with shiny BS groups which I believe would go a bit too far up the pole to be reasonable for a free account.

No T2 and up to cruiser size would be what I would consider good balance, as is proposed in the original devblog.

While at first glance the suggestion to have exponentially decaying skill training rate as a function of total SP seems pretty good the problem would be industry related skills, as these can be had at relatively good levels at fairly low sp amount and industry scales damn good with the number of accounts one can throw at it. combined with some form of skill list restriction for Alphas it would be pretty reasonable idea. Say, starting at full speed at 400k SP and more or less linearly decaying to 50% speed at about 10 mil SP or so.