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Hi,

here my feedback:

I assume that multiple character training will decline because you can have a free training queue on a fresh account for free.
That may not be the case if those alpha clones do not get skill points (or not many) for mining, PI, trading.
=> Maybe less income from multiple training for CCP.

People like me that like to gain fast skill points on their main character can do this with this change and enjoy PVP with an alternative character. We can enjoy battles without risking expensive attribute implants.
=> More activity in PVP from players that do not want to invest money in multiple training and have expensive implants or like high skill point gain.

I know many people that would like to join eve here and there, but are not willing to pay for a month. You get brand new games for that money out there. I see here a very big plus. And PLEX farming and be exhausting and need some time that some people are not willed to invest in a game.
=> Casual gamers will join us from time to time. More activity from that faction.
=> Same for beginners.

In my opinion this step is brave and good move of CCP and they get an epic clap from my side!

CCP, here is some more feedback I just thought of tonight. The Wardec system either needs a complete overhaul or dumped entirely as well for the November Release or Alpha Clones.

I remember very well how hard it could be to do stuff in Hisec with pilots from PIRAT and CD sometimes coming around looking for kills or gatecamping common movement routes. The way the system is now allows these entities to pretty much get away with ganking without the risk of CONCORD. Most of them sit on Trade Hubs anyways and rarely venture beyond these areas.

I doubt this was the intent of the Wardec system to allow a perma-wardec on various corps and alliances just because someone wants to circumvent CONCORD to shoot targets that can not shoot back and otherwise can not defend themselves. Risk is part of the game but the Hi-sec Wardeccers should have a fair share in that risk themselves. Right now, they really do not as they are very risk averse and do not like losing their ships.


Now moving on to the reason why this connects to the launch of the Clone States Feature....

Now imagine all these new Alpha Clones getting in, joining various corps...and then comes the Wardecs. Now they can't move around Hisec without someone getting to blow them up and they are powerless against the bling ships + fits some of these groups fly to do what they do.

I do not think the above will go over well with the new players as they join up and fan out into New Eden, expecting Hi-Sec to be a safe haven and finding that people can pay ISK to circumvent CONCORD.

Now what can be done to fix this?

Well if scrapping the system is out...why not make waging more than 5 or 10 Wardecs cost standings and security across the board not just for every Wardec after the initial 5 or 10 but also tie it to length of time the War goes on. Every week after that first initial week should cost standings...maybe in the -0.1 to -0.5 Range.

We can also make the costs of waging a Wardec past the first week increase in cost for each week after. So 500k per person one week potentially becomes 1 million ISK per person next week and the third week it shoots up to 2 million before week four sees it at 4 million per person...and so on but hopefully you get the idea. Sooner or later, they run out of cash flow to sustain their wars as it just becomes too expensive to do what they do.

To prevent them from just being able to have just enough to meet the upper limit...set no upper limit. They sooner or later lose money or have to stop and wait to recover their funding to do so. I doubt they get enough ISK to cover the 70-120 Wardecs the wage. Even that is hitting into stupendous amounts of money that at a certain point they can not sustain.

So basically if you can't get them to risk their ships...make them risk their security status and wallets instead.

Some feedback on industry side from talking about it with my friend who does way more industry than me.

We noticed that Alpha state clones can manufacture pretty much any T1 item. Including many capital modules or rigs (unless I missed something). Well at least they can construct battleships. If one wouldn't like them to be able to do that, I think limiting Alpha Industry to 3 and requiring industry 4 for BC and BS sized ships and modules and Industry 5 for capital stuff. Bad thing with this aproach is that it limits what Alpha could build.

Also we thougt that running 4 industry jobs might be too interesting for Omega players to create multiple Alpha alts so they get more industry lines for high volume T1 production (e.g. with those battleships or capital rigs..).. Presuming Alphas could learn only Mass Production 1 would limit the number of lines to 2 and thus would be too much overhead for Omega to use those (instead of Omega alts). Bad things with this is that generic Alpha player would probably feel really limited by the Mass Production skill.

Third idea is that we could reintroduce skill to effect material efficiency and limit that skill on Alpha characters. Thus removing change from Alphas to be as effecient as Omegas. Thus any Omega industrialist with max efficiency would probably use Omega alts.

None of above ideas are really nice and all have annoying side effects, but as it stands now Alphas industry skills might be too good to be leveraged by Omega pilots as extended industry lines. Our concerns of course might be non valid, but I still though I should log them down for CCP to read.

EVE is just an MMO with 30 eur/month fee if one wants to get the full EVE experience (which starts at 2 accounts).

Bringing new players in the game will refresh everything, but it has to be made successfully. I saw some games go down after wrong updates.
CCP wants to introduce a change and Omega clones = win in every cases because you're so free with them. It's not pay to win. The alpha clones are just the candy to attract new players.

This is the important point, you can only really play Eve effectively with two accounts, I either play with two accounts or de-sub and I am not into grinding for plex either. That is perhaps something that CCP needs to look into on top of this suggestion, I have raised this issue a number of times on the forums and suggested a number of different ways to do this, because CCP may need to control who has Alpha accounts perhaps looking into this aspect too would be a good idea.

I can tell CCP that were I able to run two characters under one sub I would not be de-subbing, I can also point out that from November when these Alpha accounts are available, I will log back on to chat to people, but I have no intention of undocking in any of my mains.

With a character stacked to 5 million SP you do not have the pleasure to see your skills grow and your character evolve. So yes, Omega clone is better. Perhaps in pvp, alpha clones can fight Omega and win.

I couldn't read comments, sorry! (nah, not sorry at all)

Basically alpha clone will be the new trial acc, but instead time limit, it has strict skill limits.
Q: Do you remove trial acc and buddy invite?

Multiple logins.
Q: Do you plan to limit alpha state login like trial?
My opinion is, you should. Limitless access to alpha clones make it a free addition to omega pilots one-man armies, with assisted drones, throwaway ganking squads, scam&stationtrade, FW farming, etc.
Still there would be abuses via proxy servers, like it's not impossible to login a trial with a subscribed acc (not used cuz not much sense) but if it's bannable act for the omega clone, it wouldn't be a widely spread issue, as alpha clones are easier to manage than making new trials.

Any news on NPE updates from CCP Ghost's team?

Releasing a feature intended for new players without an awesome NPE seems a bit like horse-carting.

Yeah, I looked at it, even read some of the replies there and to be honest in my opinion that layout sux even more than this version.


DMC