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With the new changes coming to eve my drive to play is going fast. I don't know how the rest of you feel but this whole F2P idea just screams fail, and if its as bad as most people think it will be or heck even half this may be the end for me.

Unless they make free accounts yellow safety only this is going to be a **** show, and I don't see myself staying for it.

I will be sticking it out to see how it goes but I'm not holding my breath

They have already nerfed or dumbed down just about everything in this game that took even a small bit of skill and have taken the griefing to a whole new lvl I just can't see myself giving them more money or isk to continue to ruin a game I have loved for so many years

At one point I ran many accounts at times as many as 10, I have been running one for over a year now......main reason for the trim down is the changes suck most of the changes they claim people asked for when they didn't.....

CCP you act like you know what your game needs...do you even play? almost all the changes in the past year have made things worse on almost every level save for the few forumwarriors ...........it was a good run for almost 10 years myself but if the crap keeps up 1 will be zero.....I seem to remember a letter from hilmar saying that this **** would stop and that they would return to the core of the game they loved so much....I can see now that was a total line of BS.......

I know nothing lost and don't let the door hit me on the way out but its that exact attitude that has taken 40K to 25k and no you can't have my stuff

So yeah... I can't add anything "constructive" to this Pandora's Box that CCP is about to open beyond, "trash the idea and the person who came up with it."

F2P in any form is, at best, a way to excise as much cash as possible out of a game/franchise.
At worst, it is the first death cry of a game.

I have rarely seen an exception to this.


Time to unsubscribe.

I can only assume that CCP are doing this as they are in severe financial straits so really I suspect I am leaving a sinking ship.

As I said in another post, any form of f2p and I shall retire from the game, unfortunately my sub does not expire until the middle of next year, then I am finished with Eve.

Take care all.

Ok now eve jumps on the downwards spiral that all games go through on their way out the door...free to play...get ready for eve to be sold to a 3rd person company and CS to go in the toilet...but no seriously wtf ccp...this isnt going to bring in more players because its free...gankers and greifers are still a problem...and now you make it to where they can be even more anonymous...thanks for making it easier for them...and while your at it why not just let CODE run your entire Customer service department and you guys just retire...how about you actually fix whats wrong with new eden instead of giving up on us and hoping the word *free* will save us...it wont...a sad day in new eden history when that goes live...

Ill nutshell it for you...

The good:

1) Allows current subs more flexibility with alts
2) Allows new players to experience eve without time constraints.
3) Provides subs with more targets.

The bad:
1) Subs keep out a certain type of player many here will find undesirable. While people say well you can just avoid them, ignore them, etc... its like avoiding the white elephant in the room... lots of white elephants. At some point, it becomes easier to just stop playing.

2) Lots of free players do not always mean lots more paying customers. In a F2P/P2W game about 50% of the players will never pay 2 play despite the fact they are at a significant disadvantage. The Clone model of eve doesnt put them at a significant disadvantage. They can still do everything paying players can, just in crappier ships with crappier mods.

3) I see alliances capitalizing on the free players and creating huge TIDI blobs of cheap fleets to take and hold space.

4) Free players really dont add a lot of value to the game but will suck up a massive amount of resources.

5) Welcome to The Market Chaos Era. This is going to have all kinds of weird effects on the market from a variety of angles.

6) No game that i have played that has started either A) in game advertising( despite you paying for it) or B) a free to play mode has done well after that point. At that point you are on a slippery slope and about to lose your footing.

7) Hi! im Roenok and i have 782 Alt Alpha Clone accounts!

8) You, CCP, claims that support will not be affected. But we know thats not true. There are only two paths support can take with this and both of them hurt sub players. The first is that we have to wait stupidly long for our tickets to make it through a constantly backlogged system because of all the Alpha scrubs filing support tickets for stupid stuff. The Second is that CCP hires more support staff. Guess who is paying for that support staff? Sub players. So we either get shittier service or we provide welfare support for free players.

9) Keeping in line with point #8, taking revenue to spend on more support staff for free players also takes money from CCP staff to develop the game.

10) F2P players are going to crowd sub players out of high sec. They are going to suck up most of the resources in high sec while contributing very little to game play. High sec subs are going to get tired of this and do one of two things. One, they are going to move to low sec or null... which is great. Or they are going to unsub and go play something else where they dont have pay to compete with thousands of free players.

11) We are going to have the same tolerance of free players as we do bots, afk miners/ratters, and other undesirables. We are going to try to kill them to make them go away until they become to frustrating to deal with and then we are going to go away.

12) Honestly we would rather you spend more time on making eve awesome and less time on generating revenue. We have bugs that havent been fixed for months. You guys are fixing things that arent broken ( module tieracide) while neglecting things that we hate ( Fozziesov, SBU sov, Pos bash Sov). We ask for the game to have more entertaining PVE and your answer to that is super rats that will WTFOWN you faster than a cap hot drop. Your answer to everything the last few years is to either nerf it or dumb it down.

The only good thing ive seen in updates these last couple of years are ship rebalancing and possibly new structures but im still reserving judgement on those. Before you start trying to get new subs, try to keep the ones you got.

You want an answer to the trial BS... here it is:

1) Set up a free to play server that is separate from TQ.
2) No restrictions on this server
3) No customer support for this server. You want customer support you have to pay for it.
4) No plexes or skill injectors on this server.
5) The server is wiped clean every 6 months.
6) At any time you may transfer your character and your assets to TQ with your character in its current state. The cost of this transfer is that you buy a 1 month sub plus $5 transfer fee. The transfer fee is waived with a 3 month sub or more.

Play your heart out free player. When your sick of being reset, come join us on TQ. Otherwise take all the time you need to learn game mechanics. You could also leave the trial up on TQ as is and give people that option.

Ive been playing MMOs for 20 years. My first was a text based browser game on dial up. Ive player MMOs from EA, Blizzard, Atari, Trion Worlds, Big Point, Aeria, Kabam, Rockyou, Plarium, Machine Zone, and a host of other developers i cant remember atm, some of which have been defunct for years. And i can tell you from experience... going down this road is never good for the developer nor the paying customer.

But dont take my word for it.... ill quote this post and " i told you so" in a couple of years.

So the decision for free to play means end of life, like it does for every other game that goes that route.

Wanna be top dog, well pay to win is the way to go. I hate PTW games, it's just pathetic. So does this mean that EVE is turning into FarmVille? Obviously not, but I can see Alpha corps kicking more butt than paying customers.

There is no long any point for casual players to pay EVE any more, unless they just have to fly a tech 2 ship.

I see that any skill that an Alpha Clone can use symbolizes 'nerfed' skills. A lot of those level 4 skills are quite powerful and Level 5 anything is just overkill for what is allowed.

The level of irresponsible griefing that actual paid players can and some most certainly will without consequence, will exceed the level of what CCP will expect. You know we all surprise you with what we pull off already, if we can use it as an exploit for profit or revenge, it will be done with the skills that will surpass expectation.

__TL;DR__

I'm not mad. Nope. not yet. I'll wait until November for that.

I'm disappointed.

Not once was an attempt made to lower the price of subscriptions to try to encourage new players to come to Eve.

Truly disappointed and a bit ashamed that I pay to play EVE Online.