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the amount of ppl that comments without bothering to read the devblog is astonishing - there are two thing STRAIGHTLY mentioned in a blog that alpha clone WON'T be able to do - traiing up [and using] cynos and cloacking devices

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hmmm as it was not mentioned I though that alphas will follow trial mechanics here - all skills scheduled in the que must start within 24h window from the point of scheduling

You cannot extract below 5 million SP, IIRC.

So, not going to work. You'll have to train above 5 million which will require a paid sub.

Errr for upgrading to omega? The change to the F2P model is supposed to attract people who cant afford paying the sub with real money, so PLEX will be in high demand if the F2P model is successful.

I dont think that players who cant afford a 12€ subscription will buy many 20€ PLEX.

It is not free SP unless you consider subbing every other month to be "free".

Further, the subbed character is no longer an Alpha, they are no Omega clones. So, the idea of preventing Alphas from using extractors won't mean anything.

If you really wanted to stop this, prevent extractors from working when there are unallocated SP.

Then get into the shipping escort biz....

When you think CCP give you lemons, make lemonade!

1. Eve already has undesireables.

2. True, remains to be seen if this will increase player counts.

3. If an alliance can organize a thousand+ players to engage in a single system which produces TIDI - more power to them. That's a thousand+ players in EVE that otherwise wouldn't be here. If an alliance (say, TEST or PH) can organize a thousand+ Alpha players and take SOV with them, more power to them.

4. What sort of resources do you mean? Server CPU cycles? Doubtful. Asteriods? Also doubtful. And from the devblog: "As you know, EVE is a very special game. Our single shard server means that every player truly affects every other, whether through economics, resource gathering, direct combat or bad posting. This in turn means that our universe is more interesting, more exciting and more dangerous with each additional citizen."

5 & 6. Perhaps, but that remains to be seen.

7. I'm fine with that so long as you can't have more than one of them online at once.

8 & 9. Slow support ticket response time or having to hire new suport staff are no reasons to not try to get new players in the game.

10. Crowd Omega players out of highsec? Good. But there are plenty of resources to go around in highsec anyway, don't worry.

11. That's simply a function of having more people in the game. We want more people in the game.

12. CCP will continue to iterate on the game.

OMG NO. This is horrible. We want new players to engage in the shared world, not keep them separate.

he meant extracting "alpha allowed skills" as omega with 5mill+ in omega-only skills and then allowing it to drop back to alpha for reskilling those alpha allowed skills - but the longer I think about it, the more I get to think tha whole idea is just gimped less effective attempt of currently existing SP farms.....

Extracting SPs from the Alpha skill set won't be allowed as the Dev Blog says:

"Currently, we are planning to require Omega state for skill extraction and also not allow the extraction of skills in the Alpha set."

Maybe you should read the DevBlog....?

They already state cloaking is out as are cynos for Alphas. Mining barges too based on the requirements are not in the Alpha Skill list. And I think the alliance thing is also covered in the skill lists. As for corporations, that is allowed as players can train corp management to level 1.

Im comparing game models not what a free player eve can do to what a paying player can do.... totally different. In F2P/ P2W models they use a sheep/wolf concept. You either volunteer to be the sheep or you pay to be the wolf. It works because once you get past a 2-4 weeks in game, everything gets stupidly long and you start needing special items for things that can only be bought. Imagine training amarr BS level 5 and it taking 350 days for that one level. Training Amarr dread level 3 and it taking 480 days. training Amarr titan 4 and it taking 2369 days. Then you are offered 5 day speed ups, 50 day speed ups, 500 day speed ups, etc. Every few weeks they move the goal post and introduce new special items that make everything else obsolete or underpowered. It becomes a massive money sink. You would spend less money drunk in Las Vegas than you would just too stay competitive.

In Eve that wont happen. Because i can start a gallente character. And basically farm high sec for months or years and never pay for anything. I dont have to try to compete no more than anyone else. I cant use more powerful ships. But so what? Its high sec.

Give me a Vexor and i can do amazing things with farming in high sec. In fact can Alphas use faction/deadspace? If alphas can use faction and deadspace then they could use a VNI with faction amps, faction prop, and faction tank mods and farm nearly as well as a player that can T2 fit everything. I have an alt that is pro at a gila ( even though Alphas couldnt use this because of the dual ship train) and can get 650 dps out of with less than 5 mil SP and a good enough tank to do DED 5/10s.

They are restricted on trains/ mods/ ships. But there are ways around that without paying and they can farm high sec for infinity competing with paying players who really cant do anything but suicide gank them. Welcome to Space Farmville. Leave your wallet at home, its not needed here. Advanced Alpha Newbro Frustration level V training and will be completed as soon as i scan down my 15th plex today and find a newbro in a caracal/vexor running it for the 14th time.