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Dev Blog: Introducing Clone States & the Future of Access to EVE

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#481 - 2016-08-31 20:16:08 UTC
Skimmed the blog again, didn't see this - what is the reduction in skill training rate for Alphas?

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Princess Adhara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#482 - 2016-08-31 20:16:22 UTC
The way it's been laid out, it doesn't look like F2P, but extended trial, since you don't get to pay for unlocks piecemeal, you either sub/plex for omega state, or go free for alpha state.

Which I think is good and I hope won't change.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#483 - 2016-08-31 20:20:11 UTC
Higgs Foton wrote:
A lot of players coming in who can fly T1 fitted T1 cruisers at max (keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis! That ship is going to be the top dog for alpha clones)? Seems like a lot of profit can be made for people who produce this stuff.

I have a fully researched venture BPO on one of my accounts. I smell PROFIT. :)





That's a good point. Luxury Yacht's and Gnosisisisis



The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal

Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#484 - 2016-08-31 20:20:17 UTC
Princess Adhara wrote:
The way it's been laid out, it doesn't look like F2P, but extended trial, since you don't get to pay for unlocks piecemeal, you either sub/plex for omega state, or go free for alpha state.

Which I think is good and I hope won't change.



I agree

I have no problem with CCP selling them AUR and letting them bling their T1 limited stuff either. In fact CCP should create more things for the CQ and let the newbies bling themselves silly with AUR sales.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#485 - 2016-08-31 20:20:28 UTC
Syri Taneka wrote:
Mostly cool with this.

Two things:

1) Force Safety On for Alpha clones (should probably do this for newbies as well, but that's a different matter). This will protect us from gank fleets of freebees, and protect unaccustomed players from highsec griefing shenanigans.

2) Disallow Alpha accounts and Omega accounts being online simultaneously from the same computer/IP address. Because an obvious abuse of this new mechanic is alt scouts and freebee tackle.

(Yes I am intentionally spelling it FreeBee, as a reference to Goonswarm.)

Point #1 is reasonable. I think it'll probably be necessary, in fact. It will be necessary. I will make it necessary. Pirate

Point #2 is... not a good point. Most players have scouting alts on their Omega accounts now. There really isn't much difference between that and an Alpha clone. Lots of players don't use scouts as it is because they are too lazy, not because they don't have a spare character slot. I think for #2, it would be a smarter play to wait and see. I'll bet you not much changes.

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Flame Huany
Silver Lining Corp
#486 - 2016-08-31 20:21:15 UTC
This really worries me. I have been on other MMO games that went FTP and found them to go down hill in about a year. The primary feature of EVE that has set it apart from the others is the continued relationship with friends and enemies. In other games this usually went by the board as buying and selling of important goods eroded the established markets and group memberships.
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#487 - 2016-08-31 20:23:42 UTC
Regan Rotineque wrote:
IOWA BANSHEE WROTE:

So could I put those 5 accounts on my 4 PC's, 1 mac and 3 Linux - I do have access to a NOC so they could all be separate ip's - I forgot the 3 laptops

Shucks - I guess I could only have 54 free pi alts



As I mentioned you put limits on the total amount of skills level you can have for PI which would in fact limit your ability to create lvl 3/4 PI products. Perhaps limit the skill to level 1 or 2 - that will limit extractors and other bits.

If you want 54 single log in PI alts - you have 4 pcs so 4 log ins at a time to harvest limited amounts of t1 PI items i say go for it, you are in the absolute minority of players. I can only imagine the hell of having to do that, but hey if that is your thing then so be it.

I am more concerned about the 54 free t2 fitted catalysts and thrasher throwaways. So i would support having limits on the ability to gank in high sec ie: your security can only be set to green.

CCP has to balance giving people a 'playable' experience and letting people try different things so that they want to play more and expand their personal empire with addons and subscriptions.



Fortunately CCP has left out pi - probably because they realize that it would only take 4 lvl 1 alts to double the production on you fully skilled PI toon.

But the yellow safety sounds like a great idea
cyonida
#488 - 2016-08-31 20:23:46 UTC
The f2p model can certainly work wonders for revenue generation. Take a look at Star Wars the Old Republic. They went f2p and put a heavy emphasis on their cash shop. While I personally feel that this absolutely destroyed the game, their financial state is very good. I canceled my sub because the game became "extremely watered down single player cash shop online" and was no longer fun, but hey whatever pays the bills I guess. For every cancelled $15 sub, there were probably dozens of others dumping money into getting a different lightsaber color crystal or special head piece or mount or whatever.

I just hope that this doesn't happen to eve.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#489 - 2016-08-31 20:29:22 UTC
Higgs Foton wrote:
keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis!

Unless the devs have explicitly stated that the Gnosis can be flown, the Gnosis is a Battlecruiser. It may not require and Battlecruiser skills to fly, but if the intention is to disable anything above Cruisers, they (hopefully) won't overlook it.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#490 - 2016-08-31 20:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Winter Archipelago wrote:
Higgs Foton wrote:
keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis!

Unless the devs have explicitly stated that the Gnosis can be flown, the Gnosis is a Battlecruiser. It may not require and Battlecruiser skills to fly, but if the intention is to disable anything above Cruisers, they (hopefully) won't overlook it.

It only requires Spaceship Command 1.

... and you thought it was dangerous in hisec already.

Wait until everybody has Alpha clone gank alts in destroyers.
Keebler Wizard
Skew The Suits
#491 - 2016-08-31 20:31:47 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Higgs Foton wrote:
A lot of players coming in who can fly T1 fitted T1 cruisers at max (keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis! That ship is going to be the top dog for alpha clones)? Seems like a lot of profit can be made for people who produce this stuff.

I have a fully researched venture BPO on one of my accounts. I smell PROFIT. :)





That's a good point. Luxury Yacht's and Gnosisisisis





Another couple idiots who can't read.

They said you will be limited to the ships of YOUR RACE.

Unless yatchs, gnossisisisisiissisisidsiofjiosdjfslk's and ventures are one of the starting races, you guys better go back to the drawing board.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#492 - 2016-08-31 20:31:54 UTC
Anke Eyrou wrote:
VonDerTann wrote:
I just concerned about one thing: how about mulitple charactors under same account, if you are paid player, your main charactor is omega, the other two will regard as omega too or as alpha

From what read in the dev blog thhey are treated as Omega.


Since you pay for an account, all characters will be Omega...just as it has always been. Don't lose your **** over this.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#493 - 2016-08-31 20:34:59 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Higgs Foton wrote:
A lot of players coming in who can fly T1 fitted T1 cruisers at max (keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis! That ship is going to be the top dog for alpha clones)? Seems like a lot of profit can be made for people who produce this stuff.

I have a fully researched venture BPO on one of my accounts. I smell PROFIT. :)



That's a good point. Luxury Yacht's and Gnosisisisis


Those are faction ships. I don't think Alpha Clones can fly them, unless I misread the dev blog.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Judaa K'Marr
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#494 - 2016-08-31 20:36:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Judaa K'Marr
In the spirit of EVE-O taboos suddenly winning tepid popularity upon being officially announced by CCP (buying SP, free2play) I'm hereby predicting a complete withdrawal of wardecs and ganking from hisec, so in 6 months I can link back this post and call myself a sage.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#495 - 2016-08-31 20:37:20 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Winter Archipelago wrote:
Higgs Foton wrote:
keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis!

Unless the devs have explicitly stated that the Gnosis can be flown, the Gnosis is a Battlecruiser. It may not require and Battlecruiser skills to fly, but if the intention is to disable anything above Cruisers, they (hopefully) won't overlook it.

It only requires Spaceship Command 1.

... and you thought it was dangerous in hisec already.

Wait until everybody has Alpha clone gank alts in destroyers.

You seem to have missed the second-half of what I said. If CCP intend for Cruisers to be the upper-limit, they're probably planning on putting a lock on the Gnosis, even if it doesn't come in the form of a skill.

Also, I already know how interesting ganking is going to become. I have a ganker alt of my own (not associated with CODE. or Miniluv, but I've done my share of ganking). The char is, unfortunately, Caldari, so if I let the account lapse, I won't be able to use Catalysts or Thrashers. The other two chars on the account are PI alts, so it might be interesting to biomass them and roll a new Gallente and Minmatar ganker alt, instead.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#496 - 2016-08-31 20:37:24 UTC
Keebler Wizard wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
Higgs Foton wrote:
A lot of players coming in who can fly T1 fitted T1 cruisers at max (keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis! That ship is going to be the top dog for alpha clones)? Seems like a lot of profit can be made for people who produce this stuff.

I have a fully researched venture BPO on one of my accounts. I smell PROFIT. :)





That's a good point. Luxury Yacht's and Gnosisisisis





Another couple idiots who can't read.

They said you will be limited to the ships of YOUR RACE.

Unless yatchs, gnossisisisisiissisisidsiofjiosdjfslk's and ventures are one of the starting races, you guys better go back to the drawing board.




Venture's are accounted for in the skill plans. They can learn mining frigate 4Maybe you should go read it. Gnosis and Yacht's have never been tied from, nor excluded from any race. So perhaps you should chill out.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#497 - 2016-08-31 20:39:14 UTC
Carniflex wrote:
Zappity wrote:

PI skills are not included in the alpha list in the devblog.


The important question is, however, if you can submit the new extraction cycle into the PI colony or not without the skills if you have the colony already installed.



Yes this is a question that I wish ccp would answer.

I would recommend that the functionality of pi not be allowed on unpaid accounts.

Why? PI is different than pvp. For PVP more pilots means more fun. Giving people free pi accounts will mainly hurt people who use a paid account.

Break people into 2 groups. 1) More time than money or 2) More money than time. Relative to the average eve player I consider myself to be in group 2.

I barely have time to go through the pi characters I currently have. So ccp telling me "hey now you (and everyone else) can have a bunch of free accounts to do pi in" has zero appeal to me. Lots of group 1 people will spend all sorts of time with their free alts and drive the prices down and I will have one less thing to do in eve.

If someone is really just trying the game out then I doubt pi is the reason they are trying it.

Even if ccp doesn't mind losing group 2 players, having a huge number of alts doing pi is a recipe for burnout.

Finally, by limiting this functionality to omega clones would be a big reason to have an omega account.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#498 - 2016-08-31 20:41:47 UTC
Keebler Wizard wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
Higgs Foton wrote:
A lot of players coming in who can fly T1 fitted T1 cruisers at max (keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis! That ship is going to be the top dog for alpha clones)? Seems like a lot of profit can be made for people who produce this stuff.

I have a fully researched venture BPO on one of my accounts. I smell PROFIT. :)





That's a good point. Luxury Yacht's and Gnosisisisis





Another couple idiots who can't read.

They said you will be limited to the ships of YOUR RACE.

Unless yatchs, gnossisisisisiissisisidsiofjiosdjfslk's and ventures are one of the starting races, you guys better go back to the drawing board.


Good sir, you might want to read in on the requirements for the Gnosis.
It only required Spaceship Command 1 to fly. It has no racial skill requirements. As far as i can see an alpha clone should be able to fly these ships, because an alpha clone will be able to train Spaceship Command.
Personally i see no problem in alpha clones being able to fly the Gnosis. Its a pretty good ship for them, maybe even the best, and i have about 40 of them in my hangar. :)

PROFIT
Keebler Wizard
Skew The Suits
#499 - 2016-08-31 20:42:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Keebler Wizard
Kenrailae wrote:
Venture's are accounted for in the skill plans. They can learn mining frigate 4Maybe you should go read it. Gnosis and Yacht's have never been tied from, nor excluded from any race. So perhaps you should chill out.


Nah maybe you should learn to read. Gnosis is above cruiser first off. And yacht? If youre an amarr pilot who can only fly amarr, why would that make the yacht eligible?

Why make assumptions based on current skill information that is all likely subject to change? There's plenty of crap out there that has "cannot be flown on trial" flagged on it, and this wont be any different.
Colonel Carter
Black Spot on Parchment
#500 - 2016-08-31 20:43:56 UTC
I think you should be allowed to multibox a handful of accounts since thats also a part of the eve experience.