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Dev Blog: Introducing Clone States & the Future of Access to EVE

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#61 - 2016-08-31 14:44:15 UTC
So you're telling me I can fly a catalyst...

vOv Okay then. Twisted

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virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2016-08-31 14:44:33 UTC
The tears on this one, especially after ending off grid boosting are going to be legendary!
This is going to be in the history books :)
VonDerTann
Perkone
Caldari State
#63 - 2016-08-31 14:45:05 UTC
I just concerned about one thing: how about mulitple charactors under same account, if you are paid player, your main charactor is omega, the other two will regard as omega too or as alpha
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#64 - 2016-08-31 14:45:45 UTC
Going to be some abuse here. It's a swell idea overall, but if I can roll 3 gallente characters train catalyst / vexor skills at no cost to myself - why not? You may want to consider limiting their safety switch to Yellow - so they can still engage in some skull drudgery but not have 100 alphas dunk a freighter in Niarja.

May want to limit LP rewards? Faction warfare could be an issue. Stabs + any frigate and you can make money on this account pretty easily.

Good call on the 'if subscription isn't active will go to alpha clone state,' Or I'd only be paying for 1 account from here on out.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2016-08-31 14:45:48 UTC
Winter Archipelago wrote:
Will PI set-ups be disabled while on Alpha clones? You can set up two characters with a decent PI set-up in a 30-day paid-for period, so unless planetary colonies are disabled during that time, it's going to be rather overpowered to pay once for a free source of ISK thereafter.


I never thought about that. Pay for an account for 90 -sih days to train all three characters, and then make free money forever.

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Always Shi
t Posting
#66 - 2016-08-31 14:46:06 UTC
Carbon Alabel wrote:
will Alpha clones be allowed to post on the forums?


Asking the important questions!
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2016-08-31 14:46:49 UTC
VonDerTann wrote:
I just concerned about one thing: how about mulitple charactors under same account, if you are paid player, your main charactor is omega, the other two will regard as omega too or as alpha


Per the news item, all characters on an account share the clone status. So the account is either Alpha or Omega, not the characters

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JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#68 - 2016-08-31 14:47:28 UTC
VonDerTann wrote:
I just concerned about one thing: how about mulitple charactors under same account, if you are paid player, your main charactor is omega, the other two will regard as omega too or as alpha


All three character slots on a paid account will be Omega. All three on an un-apid account will be alpha. Its in the blog post linked.
SFX Bladerunner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2016-08-31 14:47:47 UTC
So... basically CODE, and any form of destroyer empire ganking, is getting a massive boost?

- start 10 accounts
- train (alpa cloned) gank destroyers on all of them
- if multiboxing alphas = allowed..... SOLO GANK SQUAD AHOYYY
- if multiboxing alphas != allowed.... OH WELL, I can just use 1, and when sec status drops too much trash it while training a new one, rinse and repeat
- only pay for my disposable gank ship, zero fucks given


GJ CCP, you done ****** up.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#70 - 2016-08-31 14:48:38 UTC
SFX Bladerunner wrote:
So... basically CODE, and any form of destroyer empire ganking, is getting a massive boost?

- start 10 accounts
- train (alpa cloned) gank destroyers on all of them
- if multiboxing alphas = allowed..... SOLO GANK SQUAD AHOYYY
- if multiboxing alphas != allowed.... OH WELL, I can just use 1, and when sec status drops too much trash it while training a new one, rinse and repeat
- only pay for my disposable gank ship, zero fucks given


GJ CCP, you done ****** up.


Chill guy. Why not just suggest they restrict the safety on these accounts to yellow.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2016-08-31 14:49:13 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
So you're telling me I can fly a catalyst...

vOv Okay then. Twisted


Yeah, but you can't use T2 or faction guns Lol Good luck with that.

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Solecist Project
#72 - 2016-08-31 14:49:16 UTC
Always Shi wrote:
Carbon Alabel wrote:
will Alpha clones be allowed to post on the forums?


Asking the important questions!

That's actually pretty significant.

It would mean war.

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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2016-08-31 14:49:33 UTC
Interesting.

So far, I cannot think of any major objections.
I will try to think of ways this can be abused, but barring that I don't see it being a bad thing.

I think it'd be fine for unlimited Mega clone clients to run along with a single Alpha clone client on the same computer, but I have concerns about multiple Alpha clone clients.

First possible "abuse":
Train an Alpha clone to 5m SP.
Switch it to Omega state, train Cybernetics to 5, plug in +5 implants, and have an SP farm ready to go without having to pay for the initial 5m SP investment.
Memphis Baas
#74 - 2016-08-31 14:49:40 UTC
First, this is about trial vs. subscription, so in my opinion if you obfuscate this fact by using completely non-descriptive terms like "alpha" and "omega", you're doing yourselves a dis-service. You're placing a point of confusion between your game and people opening their wallets to pay you for it. I would like to recommend calling it "trial" clones and "subscribed" clones, and inventing some in-character explanation for those terms. Because that's what we're familiar with.

Second, "alpha" and "omega"? "beginning" and "end"? really? You don't envision in-between states, like us paying through our nose to unlock individual features (I want access to the Megathron dammit, I love that ship, but I don't want to pay subscription or unlock anything else)? You don't envision more-than-subscription states, such as paying 2x subscription costs to slow-train at 2x the speed? 3x subscription for 3x speed? You don't envision anything in between alpha and omega, or beyond omega?

Link the subscription model to the clones if you want, it's a fine idea.

But just name it what it is, and let the naming convention allow for shades of grey in between and beyond "subscribed" or "not".
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2016-08-31 14:50:03 UTC
This does sort of give new meaning to the phrase "flight of a thousand rifters" though.

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Tiberius Mathusia
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2016-08-31 14:50:23 UTC
I've read over the proposal and the list of skills they can train and believe tissue is a excellent idea to encourage new players by giving them the opportunity to really explore the game while limiting their ability to impact the game.

It's also a good way of training up same base skills on an alternative account before subbing it to train the omega skills.
Solecist Project
#77 - 2016-08-31 14:50:31 UTC
SFX Bladerunner wrote:
So... basically CODE, and any form of destroyer empire ganking, is getting a massive boost?

- start 10 accounts
- train (alpa cloned) gank destroyers on all of them
- if multiboxing alphas = allowed..... SOLO GANK SQUAD AHOYYY
- if multiboxing alphas != allowed.... OH WELL, I can just use 1, and when sec status drops too much trash it while training a new one, rinse and repeat
- only pay for my disposable gank ship, zero fucks given


GJ CCP, you done ****** up.

Because ganking is so omnipresent... yeah, right. Roll

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#78 - 2016-08-31 14:50:53 UTC
This is gonna be interesting since i was kind of considering alts.... Probably still wont bite tho

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#79 - 2016-08-31 14:51:30 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Winter Archipelago wrote:
Will PI set-ups be disabled while on Alpha clones? You can set up two characters with a decent PI set-up in a 30-day paid-for period, so unless planetary colonies are disabled during that time, it's going to be rather overpowered to pay once for a free source of ISK thereafter.


I never thought about that. Pay for an account for 90 -sih days to train all three characters, and then make free money forever.

PI skills are not included in the alpha list in the devblog.

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Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#80 - 2016-08-31 14:52:05 UTC
DaOpa wrote:

Suggestion(s):

Remove Restriction of Skills between Alpha / Omega states, have no difference here. If you train a skill you have it forever, with out restrictions.



This will lead to the exact abuse people are worried about: free cyno, free camping, free blops, free t3d, free skiff fleet, free tornado ganker, infinite market / industry slots, etc.