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Speaking strictly on the theme of wormhole sig mining, what's wrong with re-shipping? We're talking about very adventurous people living out in nowhere, banded together to survive some of the harshest conditions EvE has to offer. I *think* they'd bring a few extra ships somehow.

Besides, every time I hear about wormhole corps discussed on the forums here, the common thread (har har, a PUN!) discussed is that when you're in a wormhole corp, it is *every* pilot's responsibility to do at least some probing. Also, probing skills aren't that difficult to attain, right? Handful of skills to level 3 (should be enough to scan a sig, right?), preferred racial frigate to 3. Is that really so much of a burden? I don't have time to math and map out a thing for a newbie character, but we're talking about 2 days of training time or thereabouts, right?

Aye but the guy I was talking to could not stand the idea he may have to reship so I was showing alternatives

So do these changes mean skiff yield isn't reduced after all? Dev said skiff yield stays same.

But according to that barge thread in general discussion this worked out to be a yield nerf for skiff.

I'm confused because the dev wrote in the OP

'The overall mining yields of the Procurer, Skiff, Retriever, and Mackinaw remain unchanged after this pass. The Covetor and Hulk will gain a lowslot which allows some new options and the potential of greater yield (although fittings will be appropriately tight when using three MLUs).'

How much of a yield nerf is it to ice mining for the skiff? From what i can see mackinkaw and skiff will have identical cycle times now due to same bonuses to mining and same harvester slots.

What happened to moving asteroids and tracking?

In a word - "BORING"

2 mining lasers (ice harvesters) per ship - so what.
Small number of slots to fit with

It will come down to 1 or 2 fits for players who don't have max skills and 1 or 2 fits for players with max skills (and for a few who are dedicated and have implants - 1 or 2 more fits).

Mining is already boring, now most of the variation (not that there was a huge amount) is gone.

go plinking for small 'roads - a hulk let you plink 3
go after larger roads and with competition - why a skiff was your friend, sucking the juice right out in a hurry, before your competition could.

Now I can dump all but 1 or 2 barges and be happy - no thinking required on fits or the best type of vessel to bring, because they will all be pretty much the same. Solo mining - skiff or mac, fleet mining skiff, safe mining - mac, ice harvesting - mac, dangerous mining - skiff.

Everything else is a waste of isk to own now.

Nice - less choice, less diversity, fewer decisions.

Again in a word "BORING"

...NEXT...

Oh and the art work is also "BORING"...sorry I don't like it. Nothing at all industrial or sexy about the new ships, nothing about the animations that makes me think "gee these could really exist someday"


Want to get me excited?

1,2,3, and 4 usable high slots for mining lasers - all bonuses for volume on the lasers (yes the ore laser and T2 ore lasers should be better than regular)

modules for tracking, lock on, laser power (e.g. range), crystal damage, etc. for the mid-slots

An all drone ship that can use Heavy mining drones and has the drone bay to carry 10 of them - 1 set in use and 1 set spare, heavy mining drones are specialized beasts - you want to mine veld, you buy the right drone.

Open up the slot counts to cruiser numbers and dump many of the tank bonuses, you want a tankie ship, fit it that way. You want maximum yield - likewise fit it that way.

Create a module to make 'better/longer lasting' jet cans - but you have to fit the module to get them - you trade off for one or the other

You want off D-Scan - trade one of your high slots for a stealth module that is not quiet cloaking - it lets you mine and move while off of D-scan but shows you on the grid if they come on grid.

Then give me tug that can round up jet cans and mining cans and tow them into a POS/station whatever.

Based on the number of high slots - give me very different mass/velocity/flight characteristics - that I can modify with fitting the ship.

Sorry Fonzie - this is the worst re-balancing ever, because it takes choice and brains out of fitting.

Where's the survey scanner, and why have you got a sebo fitted to a mining ship?

Anyone mining without a scanner is just crazy. Whole cycles wasted on rocks with only a couple of m3 left? No thanks.

Not everyone mines in high-sec where asteroid sizes are 20 cycles or less in size.

And I'm logging onto the test server later to see the difference. To see how deep whatever team that thought this up has deep-sixed us again.

Stop making your dellusions of grandeur a reality. It's really not helping the game.

I'm not in HS...But mining without a scanner is still stupid...

A Ore Strip Miner costs around 150M ISK.
Fitting one to a Skiff is maybe the risk worth.
But fitting two is a little bit insane.

Are you planning to reduce the prices for the modules? Maybe half them?