Crime & Punishment

I have to say I utterly adore people saying you are afk when you mine, those damn asteroids are so damn small I get one and a bit cycle off and thats it. If I was AFK I would not mine anything, true story...

As a fellow miner I can only give you some hints on how to try to survive in Hi-sec if you want to afk mine.

If you can only fly a Venture then fit 1 Adaptive Invulnerability Field, 1 MWD (Micro-warp Drive) if you want and 2 (or 3 if no MWD) Small shield extenders. In rigs you can fit 2 EM resists and 1 thermal. That will give you a lot of defense in general and will increase your chance of survival while providing maximum mining yield. If you want you can always fir Damage Control in low-slot but you lose a slot for mining laser upgrade then.

If you can fly a mining barge (like a procurer) then I strongly advise you fly that if you don't feel safe enough, it has lots of defense and you can fit it to sustain massive damage before going down.

When I started EVE, roughly 2 years ago, I tried out ALL aspects of it, from high-sec mining, low-sec mining, w-space mining to null-sec mining, pvp in all areas, massive null-sec fleets, attacking capital ships in cruisers and ****, running w-space anomaly sites, ratting in nul-sec, moon mining, PI, ...
I would strongly recommend any new player that wants to do mining and/or industry to join a nul-sec corp, like mine for example.

Right now we need more miners/ratters (ratter is someone who kills NPC ships for isk bounty prize), we can provide you with a ship (venture/mining barge) and mining boosts (there's something called an Orca or Rorqal, both are mining boost ships that almost double your mining yield if you're in the fleet with a booster).
We're all friendly and like to teach new players, also our system is fairly safe (not many gankers, actually I've seen like 1 in the past 3 weeks since I joined).

Main reason why I'd sudgest you to go in nul-sec is because you learn how to survive, it's harsh environment yeah but you can't fully AFK in it. You always need to keep one eye on the local chat to see if someone 'unknown' pops in.

Send me a mail (ingame) if you want more info I'm glad to help out.

- Favor

Sigh.


All you need to survive in null is a frigate.

Kill rats in the belt. Yes, you can do it. Go to Provi or Syndicate and practice.

Join a null corp. Its easy.

As noted above, they will throw ships and skillbooks at you.

Profit.

To avoid gankers you have to have people watching your back. Trust me it helps. Don't mine in high traffic areas alone in something other than a procurer. You can shield tank it well enough to survive and watch concord come blow the pirate up. Unless they come in a group then just run if you don't get tackled first. Always keep an eye on local for unusual traffic and make sure to mark the known pirate corps to bad standing. Also d scan, d scan, d scan. Because of d scans I've been able to jet before others got ganked. But make some friends and do group mining opps, some people will sit cloaked for a cut to protect you. Code is everywhere and you must be prepared to survive any and everything that can and will be thrown at you. A good way to learn how to not get ganked properly is have a vet take you on wh opps. You have to learn to rely on scans heavily and it just helps that much when in highsec. If you see a frigate or destroyer that's know to be used in ganks run. The last thing I gotta say is probably the best advice I ever gotten in this game, take nothing for granted. Feeling safe equals death, trust the ones that are true and nothing else. That one is tough cause some will act like friends just to turn on you so use common sense. And don't fear code or any other like them. It's not that tough to learn how to survive but it does take time and practice.

What do I think?

The Gankers themselves do it for a multitude of reasons; Fun, to hurt and bully you, your reaction, but also to affect market prices on products such as ice, ore, modules, and even ships. Groups of them are even funded to take such action for effects on the market by the big fish marketeers who want to watch their stocks rise or maintain status quo. Some gankers are misguided or naïve enough too believe its a righteous act or they are doing you a favor, but these are usually people who have IQ's so low their opinion is not worth taking into consideration.

The market itself is fueled by death and death keeps the prices high. CCP and some Gankers understand this. What both groups fail to understand, and/or do not care, is how cheap everything would become if ganking was not allowed. Fuel, modules, Ships ETC would be considerably cheaper without ganking, which would provide more opportunities for people such as yourself to concentrate more on the game and exploring its depths and less on surviving in high sec. However some of these individuals have an invested interest in keeping market prices high, as they manufacture and sell goods in high sec, even to the extent of building the barges that they gank, so they can drive up the price and once they kill you, you will essentially buy another barge from the same person or group that just killed you without knowing, cute isent it?

I also think that CCP allows it and furthermore encourages it. This is evident because of how criminal status is treated, as a joke. As a criminal you cant mine, salvage, mission, or PvP, not that any of that matters because you can dock, trade, market, gate, gank, and still have access to stations and all of their services. If a person they are trying to gank warps out, they can just warp back to station and dock, neat huh? If CCP didn't want gankers they would disable their ability to dock and/or use services, use gates in ships other then a pod, and prevent them from buying or selling in high sec, which would be how a real criminal would be treated in real space, I doubt space stations would realistically let someone with -10.00 sec status dock after a security check, but hey, they stopped caring about continuity errors a while ago, so don't look for help there.

This game was, and is, built on a 'survival of the fittest' mentality. If you quit because its too tough, too hard, or you're not smart enough, the general consensus is ''Good, we don't want your type around here anyway." CCP feels this way and so do ALL of the people you are upset at or do not understand. You'll be looked at as too weak to survive, the proof is in the product. If you want to see what someone truly thinks and believes, don't listen to a word they say, watch what they do and how they do things. Around here, they're glad to let you die and wont protect you, don't worry about what justifications people in this game use for their actions, it will be a lie.

You'll learn a great deal about human nature playing this game and just how many people are proud of being amoral, ruthless, and exhibiting outright disgusting behavior.

Enjoy your stay.

Why would you have a security status at all if no one cares? Why would CONCORD show up and put a stop to you attacking another immortal demi-god? Why would there be rules and laws at all? Why wouldent they, in this hyper-futuristic space utopia where everyone is immortal just let everyone rob, murder, and destroy anything they want with no punishment at all? I mean, being a serial killer, professional thief, or a serial rapist doesn't mean your going to do it every time you see another human being, so why would we judge someone who is one of those things. We should just let people, who've done those things and have no intention of stopping, continue to go about their business, even when they do it, no one should stop them or punish them. And as for money? The same reason a felon isen't aloud to walk into a gun shop and purchase a gun, they have no intention of using it in the correct manner, and, in all likelihood because of their background has the intention of misusing what they purchase to harm others.

Double post

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"Why would you have a security status at all if no one cares?"

1) Certain entities do care about sec status, just not the merchant corporations who own the stations. Why would they?

" Why would CONCORD show up and put a stop to you attacking another immortal demi-god?"

2) CONCORD has two jobs: i) Keep relative peace between the empires and ii) keep immortal technology from being abused (aka keep capsuleer conflicts from consuming New Eden) They are NOT the personal police force of the empires. Keep in mind that even the empires themselves are wholly separate entities from the merchant corps who own the stations. We're talking about multiple different actors here, all with their own agenda.

"Why would there be rules and laws at all?"

3) I could give you some lore answer, but the easiest and most accurate explanation is that this is a game and games needs rules.

"Why wouldent they, in this hyper-futuristic space utopia where everyone is immortal just let everyone rob, murder, and destroy anything they want with no punishment at all?"

The EVE Universe is a dystopia, as stated by the game designers and known by everyone but you apparently. For the answer see #3.

"where everyone is immortal"

4) Everyone is not immortal. Capsuleers are an extreme minority. Why would normal people care that an immortal 0.001% of the galaxy are robbing and destroying each other's stuff?

"murder"

5) There is no murder among immortals. There are punishments because regular people fear the power of the capsuleers.

This is the point where your post degraded into some RL analogy that has no bearing on this video game.

It is absolutely ridiculous to base game design around lore explanations for things, but if you wanna go down that road, you'll see that you still don't have a leg to stand on.

Nearly every conception you have about the EVE universe is wrong. Go read some of the books or chronicles or something.

i kill miners because it is fun. when it ceases to be fun i will find another source of amusement.

Good for you bro!
Just remember, fun>isk :)
Fly Dangerous out there o7