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[ARC] Press Release: Zero Casualty Hive Op

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#141 - 2016-08-25 18:42:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Slayer Liberator wrote:
Unless you are using Estamal's you are better off using Phitum A-type or X-type mods as you get more from your ISK.


I don't know what's more adorable about this... but I'm going to have to go with you being new enough to the egg to not recognize the two of us riffing on the old Goonswarm recruitment scams.

And actually, the 'effectiveness vs ISK' breaking point for adding bling to your shields is the X-Type specific hardeners, and the C-Type Adaptive. The A-Type is three times the cost and only a nominal improvement. But - and I am completely sincere when I say this - thank you for what is actually good advice.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#142 - 2016-08-26 01:06:13 UTC
Shobon.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#143 - 2016-08-27 22:42:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Our last operation was quite successful. Five Drifters killed for no losses.

It seems that they're not quite hiding as much as before, but are now huddling together for protection. There were three Drifters in the Hive proper: two Artemis and one Hikanta. It was kind of cute. And utterly unsuccessful. There is no protection from me.

"Run and you shall be crushed.
Stand and you shall fall.
[The rest does not apply to the Drifters.]
"
- Emperor Arrach Sarum

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#144 - 2016-08-27 23:37:01 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
There is no protection from me.


Suuolo? Can we maybe not tempt fate?
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#145 - 2016-08-28 00:38:52 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Our last operation was quite successful. Five Drifters killed for no losses.

It seems that they're not quite hiding as much as before, but are now huddling together for protection. There were three Drifters in the Hive proper: two Artemis and one Hikanta. It was kind of cute. And utterly unsuccessful. There is no protection from me.

"Run and you shall be crushed.
Stand and you shall fall.
[The rest does not apply to the Drifters.]
"
- Emperor Arrach Sarum

If the next hive op is a massacre on your side let it be known who tempted fate
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#146 - 2016-08-28 00:58:48 UTC
Slayer Liberator wrote:
If the next hive op is a massacre on your side let it be known who tempted fate


And if it's not, I'll know who to thank for the antidote.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#147 - 2016-08-28 06:32:32 UTC
Or, when the next operation is a success you can give credit to the FC (and the Doctrine and Tactics Coord team) like every other operation and forget this crap about fate.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#148 - 2016-08-28 08:16:08 UTC
Stop with the hubris, please.

Also, you are starting to go 'All Drifters must be destroyed' here.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#149 - 2016-08-28 08:42:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
I'm pretty sure I hit that mark a long time ago.

And it's not hubris. It's confidence. I can back it up. You've seen it. You were on my last fleet.

It's like none of you know what propaganda is. That makes me sad.

Edit:

Okay, real talk here. Part of this thread is a recruitment. ARC fleets are open and we want people coming on them. It's almost necessary. Six pilots is a bare minimum, but ideally I would like twelve at least. SFRIM can usually field four, with a consistent three. It could probably field six if I banged the drums real loud. (Op schedules and such being what they are.) TYRIN can consistently field two pilots. Drums banging might yield more, but I won't speak for someone else's corp. IKAME is a very consistent one pilot in the form of Parious MeHoff. (Who does lots behind the scenes work for the fleet.) Darkezero rounds out the core group. He also does a lot of fleet support.

People doing math will notice that's a consistent and solid seven or eight pilots. That's workable, but with very thin margins. Having more in the fleet just makes things plain better. More damage output, more room for error, that sort of thing. So, we open it up to the public.
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Come on ARC fleets. See the Hives. Observe the amazing sites like the Nexus and the Sisters of EVE flotilla. Encounter the enigmatic Drifters. And kill them.
Part of that mission of getting pilots in fleets is public outreach. Like this thread.

Now I suppose I could come in here and say:
"Hey guys, we've kinda come up with this idea that worked this time, you know, thankfully, that let us kill Drifters with no losses. We're really going to be hopeful in the future that it keeps working, but I don't want to get overconfident and all. So, hey, you know, if you're not too worried about losing your ship, come along, maybe, please?"

Or I can come in here with a post and the attitude:
"We're killing Drifters. We're killing them left and right and taking their stuff. Everything they try to do, we do better. Join ARC, slaughter Drifters and laugh at how ineffectual they are." And generally be bombastic, confident, and proud like a fleet commander should be.

Pilots on ARC fleets fly and fight like lions. Hive Penetrations are some of the most dangerous and complex small unit operations in space. I am ******* proud to lead and command such pilots, and I will not do any of them the disservice by whimpering about like a meek coward. I know the risk. I spend my entire waking existence thinking up ways my doctrine could go wrong. Don't do me the disservice of assuming that I am willfully dismissive of the risks. It's my job to be confident and assertive in public in front of the troops. In private, the real discussion about tactics and OPFOR counters takes place.

So, shut the **** up about fate and hubris and all the other bull****. I don't care. I know my job, and it's not to be meek. Meekness is for sheep. Fight like a lion; fly with ARC. The Drifters are some horrible, evil, scary, and dangerous monsters. Let's go kill them.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#150 - 2016-08-28 10:05:18 UTC
Enough.

There is such a thing as being too proud of an accomplishment and you are actively demonstrating, to me, that you are a good distance from that line in the wrong direction.

It doesn't matter whether it is recruitment or propaganda. If the method and tone being employed in its dissemination is coming across as excessively self-aggrandizing to me, then it certainly isn't going to be better-received by people outside of ARC.

You are letting what happened a year ago get the better of you, and have been doing so almost constantly since then. Get it under control.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#151 - 2016-08-28 11:01:20 UTC
I have on my desk, case studies and responses researched by my staff with regard to another major Drifter invasion of the Amarr Empire.

OPPLAN DOGMA, and OPPLAN DOGMA-M are responses to a Drifer invasion similar to their previous attempt. Capsuleers can repel that attack with minimal loss of lives. Losses taken by the Amarr Navy depend on capsuleer response. Hopefully no higher than the low millions.

OPPLAN SWARM is a response to an invasion of unclustered and large Dirfter task forces throughout the Empire. It foresees moderate losses to capsuleer forces combating the invasion and significant losses to the Amarr Navy regardless. Losses in the hundreds of millions. Losses are higher if Drifters specifically target civilian infrastructure.

OPPLAN APOCALYPSE is a response to a massive all out invasion of the Empire and total unrestricted warfare with the full Imperial fleet committed to the defense of Amarr. Losses in the tens of billions.

OPPLAN EXODUS is a response to an overwhelming invasion of the Empire. Capsuleers attempt to evacuate as many civilians as possible out of the warzone while the Amarr Navy fights a rearguard action. Losses in the trillions.

I pray every day that this doesn't happen. I pray every day I don't have to put my children in a COVOPs Tengu and fly out of the Empire in search of safety.

If my tone is coming across as excessive self-aggrandizing then I'll try a different approach.

If we do nothing and allow the Drifters to recover, there's not a damn thing we can do to stop them. I don't even know that what we do in the Hives is enough to weaken them beyond their ability to invade again, but there's not any other option.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#152 - 2016-08-28 12:53:54 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Stop with the hubris, please.

Also, you are starting to go 'All Drifters must be destroyed' here.

That's the thing, they all must be destroyed and there is just no other way around it.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#153 - 2016-08-28 13:06:13 UTC
Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but how often do you do early morning (1:00 - 4:00 start time) ops if you even do anything that early?
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#154 - 2016-08-28 13:12:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Deitra Vess wrote:
Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but how often do you do early morning (1:00 - 4:00 start time) ops if you even do anything that early?


About once a week. there's also usually a second weekly fleet in the evening time range as well.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#155 - 2016-08-28 13:31:19 UTC
Thanks, I'll take a look at the channel when I get the chance.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#156 - 2016-08-28 13:35:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Stop with the hubris, please.

Also, you are starting to go 'All Drifters must be destroyed' here.

That's the thing, they all must be destroyed and there is just no other way around it.


It sounds so similar to a certain someone that calling that person out sounds like hypocrisy.

As of now, destroying them is the only pursuable option since they haven't shown any inclination of coming over to the negotiation table and communicate with us. However, should there come a day the Drifters decided to come to the negotiation table, will you ignore them entirely in favour of continued hostilities, or will you be willing to ceasefire for a while and hear them out?

Also, Ms. Vea, if you were trying to do propaganda, maybe make a voice recording or something. It is hard to make out tone via this channel. Also, sound macho, and start by demonising the Drifters BEFORE talking about crushing them. Catchy slogans help. As do posters. Use lots of red. Repeat exact phrases in every paragraph of the speech, especially phrases that paint Drifters in negative light and words like 'Triumphant' and 'Victory' and similar.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#157 - 2016-08-28 14:01:59 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Also, Ms. Vea, if you were trying to do propaganda, maybe make a voice recording or something. It is hard to make out tone via this channel. Also, sound macho, and start by demonising the Drifters BEFORE talking about crushing them. Catchy slogans help. As do posters. Use lots of red. Repeat exact phrases in every paragraph of the speech, especially phrases that paint Drifters in negative light and words like 'Triumphant' and 'Victory' and similar.
I will refrain from all further posting on the IGS and let my actions speak for me.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#158 - 2016-08-28 14:43:15 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Stop with the hubris, please.

Also, you are starting to go 'All Drifters must be destroyed' here.

That's the thing, they all must be destroyed and there is just no other way around it.


It sounds so similar to a certain someone that calling that person out sounds like hypocrisy.

As of now, destroying them is the only pursuable option since they haven't shown any inclination of coming over to the negotiation table and communicate with us. However, should there come a day the Drifters decided to come to the negotiation table, will you ignore them entirely in favour of continued hostilities, or will you be willing to ceasefire for a while and hear them out?

Exactly, as of now the only communication that Drifters show interest in is violence and until this changes any talk about "negotiations" is completely irrelevant and serves no purpose.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#159 - 2016-08-28 16:10:51 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Stop with the hubris, please.

Also, you are starting to go 'All Drifters must be destroyed' here.

That's the thing, they all must be destroyed and there is just no other way around it.


It sounds so similar to a certain someone that calling that person out sounds like hypocrisy.

As of now, destroying them is the only pursuable option since they haven't shown any inclination of coming over to the negotiation table and communicate with us. However, should there come a day the Drifters decided to come to the negotiation table, will you ignore them entirely in favour of continued hostilities, or will you be willing to ceasefire for a while and hear them out?

Exactly, as of now the only communication that Drifters show interest in is violence and until this changes any talk about "negotiations" is completely irrelevant and serves no purpose.


You have not answered the question. If something changes in the future and the Drifters decide to engage us in dialogue, will you take that option or will you ignore it entirely in favour of shooting them?

I haven't even mentioned terms or *trying to drag Drifters into dialogue*.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#160 - 2016-08-28 17:32:15 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but how often do you do early morning (1:00 - 4:00 start time) ops if you even do anything that early?

Every other week. We alternate between 0200 and 2000 NEST on Saturdays.

This week was the 0200 fleet.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque