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[ARC] Press Release: Zero Casualty Hive Op
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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#121 - 2016-08-24 14:50:14 UTC
Come on a Hive op! See new and amazing sites! Witness advanced Drifter Battleships!
And slaughter them all like dogs.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#122 - 2016-08-24 15:03:28 UTC
Aww, dogs are man's best friend tho.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#123 - 2016-08-24 15:10:36 UTC
Pursuant to my earlier statements, things are settling down some in Delve. Ali, your Basilisks are fully covered, including the pods if some git jumps you in j-space.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#124 - 2016-08-24 16:06:59 UTC
Alizabeth, Arrendis, as I'm handling the accounting, I'd love for this to be run through channels. I understand this is a personal crusade for you, Alizabeth, but shadow systems can cause unnecessary complications.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#125 - 2016-08-24 16:27:12 UTC
Certainly. I was planning to have a replacement set of Basilisks and implant sets shipped to the Sarum Prime citadel. Is there another arrangement you'd prefer?
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2016-08-24 20:05:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Careful you do not celebrate your mastery and prowess at killing lab rats too much or you may forget that you too are a part of the experiment.

When almost nothing about the Drifters is known the amounts of celebration by some in this thread about your more recent successes are seeming to cross the line from deserved stress relief to hubris.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#127 - 2016-08-24 20:24:31 UTC
Doesn't everyone enjoy slaying dragons? So many of our 'bad guys' come in shades of grey that I find it quite exhilirating to crush a bad guy that you can do anything you like to without feeling bad about it afterwards.

That said, your caution about hubris is always a timely one when given to capsuleers, Aya.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#128 - 2016-08-24 21:29:11 UTC
I don't think all of us are falling into that trap. None of us is operating under the assumption that we are done adjusting doctrines, or that the Drifters will not eventually adapt and require us to change something.

Regardless, the arrival at a point where the new status quo is that we are not incurring any losses on operations [i\is[/i\ a milestone to be celebrated, especially given that it took us the better part of a year to reach that point.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#129 - 2016-08-24 21:52:18 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Careful you do not celebrate your mastery and prowess at killing lab rats too much or you may forget that you too are a part of the experiment.

When almost nothing about the Drifters is known the amounts of celebration by some in this thread about your more recent successes are seeming to cross the line from deserved stress relief to hubris.


Without disagreeing, Ms. Ayallah, for a long time the Drifters were sort of the enemy we couldn't kill without losses. Sleepers, Nation incursions: farmable resources, if dangerous. The Drifters have been completely different in kind.

The death of the Empress was a terrifying show of power. Since then, for a long time we were kind of locked into a mentality where it was essentially a war of attrition-- where terrible losses were routine, and it was just something we accepted, to the point where I started naming my Hive-incursion Caracals "Acceptable Loss (I, II, III, etc.)" as a kind of warning to anyone applying to serve on one: "You're probably going to die. We'll look after your loved ones, though."

The Acceptable Loss XI is still with us (though I've also lost a few Arbitrators, named "Gloria Mundi (I, II, etc.)" for similar reasons). I kind of don't want to jinx it by changing my naming convention, which is superstitious and silly of me, but ...

Even if it's just for this moment, even if tomorrow the Drifters reconfigure their systems in some way, and our next run is a massacre ...

We can do better than giving as good as we get, trading ships one for one or one for two. We've managed it now. We're not stuck trying to brute-force the issue. Finesse can work. They can be outmaneuvered.

So maybe the things we can't brute-force-- the Hive facilities, the Nexus structures ... maybe there's a way to finesse those, too. And we'll find it.

Even if there's something truly horrible coming, maybe we can win.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#130 - 2016-08-24 22:34:50 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Alizabeth, Arrendis, as I'm handling the accounting, I'd love for this to be run through channels. I understand this is a personal crusade for you, Alizabeth, but shadow systems can cause unnecessary complications.

I was just as surprised as you were! I am sure Arrendis is more than happy to work through channels and I will provide the appropriate guidance on how to do that.

Arrendis, Priano-Hanni handles the ISK counting. Talk to her.

And done.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#131 - 2016-08-24 23:14:33 UTC
As I've said, I'm more than happy to go through whatever channels it needs to go through. Just let me know how to make this happen.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#132 - 2016-08-25 01:06:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
I think that the Gooniest thing I can do is tell you to make your cheques payable to Alizabeth?

Really, just mail Priano-Hanni. She does all the paperwork to let me just focus on my thing: slaughtering Drifters en mass. It's great, I just show up to break things and kill people, and she does all the scut work. I would kiss her, but she's very Caldari.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#133 - 2016-08-25 05:14:01 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I think that the Gooniest thing I can do is tell you to make your cheques payable to Alizabeth?


No, the Gooniest thing you could've done would have been to offer to trade that information for 500M ISK.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#134 - 2016-08-25 06:05:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Arra, I can get you into ARC Coord for a billion ISK, but since we're such good friends, I can cut it down to 500m. Oh, and I can move all your ships to our staging.

We SRP everything. Even your officer fit Barghest.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#135 - 2016-08-25 06:57:36 UTC
Aaah, see? Much better.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#136 - 2016-08-25 10:07:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
Careful you do not celebrate your mastery and prowess at killing lab rats too much or you may forget that you too are a part of the experiment.

When almost nothing about the Drifters is known the amounts of celebration by some in this thread about your more recent successes are seeming to cross the line from deserved stress relief to hubris.


Without disagreeing, Ms. Ayallah, for a long time the Drifters were sort of the enemy we couldn't kill without losses. Sleepers, Nation incursions: farmable resources, if dangerous. The Drifters have been completely different in kind.

The death of the Empress was a terrifying show of power. Since then, for a long time we were kind of locked into a mentality where it was essentially a war of attrition-- where terrible losses were routine, and it was just something we accepted, to the point where I started naming my Hive-incursion Caracals "Acceptable Loss (I, II, III, etc.)" as a kind of warning to anyone applying to serve on one: "You're probably going to die. We'll look after your loved ones, though."

The Acceptable Loss XI is still with us (though I've also lost a few Arbitrators, named "Gloria Mundi (I, II, etc.)" for similar reasons). I kind of don't want to jinx it by changing my naming convention, which is superstitious and silly of me, but ...

Even if it's just for this moment, even if tomorrow the Drifters reconfigure their systems in some way, and our next run is a massacre ...

We can do better than giving as good as we get, trading ships one for one or one for two. We've managed it now. We're not stuck trying to brute-force the issue. Finesse can work. They can be outmaneuvered.

So maybe the things we can't brute-force-- the Hive facilities, the Nexus structures ... maybe there's a way to finesse those, too. And we'll find it.

Even if there's something truly horrible coming, maybe we can win.

My kirjuun has captured the spirit of things. The war continues and there will be more losses. I sent out a mail to the Consortium pilots just tonight that explicitly said:

"I will also categorically state as a fleet commander that one day something will go horribly wrong, and we will lose a good portion of the fleet. It will happen no matter how much we guard against it."

However, the idea that we will have to just accept losses in our quest for victory is dead. Buried. I accept nothing. I will make make the Drifters pay dearly for every ship of ours they kill. I know the other ARC FCs feel this way too.

In the end this is not just about me, or even ARC. This is a clarion call to every pilot. These Drifters are not that scary. And they die easily. So let's go kill them.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2016-08-25 10:17:50 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
Careful you do not celebrate your mastery and prowess at killing lab rats too much or you may forget that you too are a part of the experiment.

When almost nothing about the Drifters is known the amounts of celebration by some in this thread about your more recent successes are seeming to cross the line from deserved stress relief to hubris.


Without disagreeing, Ms. Ayallah, for a long time the Drifters were sort of the enemy we couldn't kill without losses. Sleepers, Nation incursions: farmable resources, if dangerous. The Drifters have been completely different in kind.

The death of the Empress was a terrifying show of power. Since then, for a long time we were kind of locked into a mentality where it was essentially a war of attrition-- where terrible losses were routine, and it was just something we accepted, to the point where I started naming my Hive-incursion Caracals "Acceptable Loss (I, II, III, etc.)" as a kind of warning to anyone applying to serve on one: "You're probably going to die. We'll look after your loved ones, though."

The Acceptable Loss XI is still with us (though I've also lost a few Arbitrators, named "Gloria Mundi (I, II, etc.)" for similar reasons). I kind of don't want to jinx it by changing my naming convention, which is superstitious and silly of me, but ...

Even if it's just for this moment, even if tomorrow the Drifters reconfigure their systems in some way, and our next run is a massacre ...

We can do better than giving as good as we get, trading ships one for one or one for two. We've managed it now. We're not stuck trying to brute-force the issue. Finesse can work. They can be outmaneuvered.

So maybe the things we can't brute-force-- the Hive facilities, the Nexus structures ... maybe there's a way to finesse those, too. And we'll find it.

Even if there's something truly horrible coming, maybe we can win.

My kirjuun has captured the spirit of things. The war continues and there will be more losses. I sent out a mail to the Consortium pilots just tonight that explicitly said:

" I will also categorically state as a fleet commander that one day something will go horribly wrong, and we will lose a good portion of the fleet. It will happen no matter how much we guard against it."

However, the idea that we will have to just accept losses in our quest for victory is dead. Buried. I accept nothing. I will make make the Drifters pay dearly for every ship of ours they kill. I know the other ARC FCs feel this way too.

In the end this is not just about me, or even ARC. This is a clarion call to every pilot. These Drifters are not that scary. And they die easily. So let's go kill them.


Ms. Vea, is that froth I detect at the coming out of the edge of your mouth?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#138 - 2016-08-25 14:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Ms. Vea, is that froth I detect at the coming out of the edge of your mouth?


Well, they murdered probably her single favorite person in this world.

As far as I can gather, an emperor isn't someone "distant," to the Amarr. The Amarrian head of state isn't just a diplomat or top-ranking civil servant; an emperor is kind of a part of every Amarrian's life, the face of the Empire; the head of the community of faith to which they all belong; the single being nearest to God in this world.

Empress Jamyl, in particular, hailed as a savior and divine sending-- of course she was close to their hearts.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#139 - 2016-08-25 15:02:59 UTC
I don't froth at the mouth. I always knew that a lossless hive op would be a mostly symbolic victory. However, even a symbolic victory can be important for overall morale and mindset. Part of that is propaganda.
Though, I don't want to sell our achievements short. At best before the Heavy Weasels, we had an ~2:1 kill to loss ratio. At present, I think we're well above 20:1.
Sadly, this isn't helping me exterminate the Drifters any faster.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#140 - 2016-08-25 15:42:15 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Arra, I can get you into ARC Coord for a billion ISK, but since we're such good friends, I can cut it down to 500m. Oh, and I can move all your ships to our staging.

We SRP everything. Even your officer fit Barghest.

Unless you are using Estamal's you are better off using Phitum A-type or X-type mods as you get more from your ISK.