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A revival of a CVA-like in Amarr?
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Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-16 20:52:14 UTC
I found I was unable to post in the Alliances forums (I'm not cool enough), so I'll ask here. Is there a 'new CVA' allowing access to non-hostiles in Amarr/Providence? Would this be profitable now, with the PI tax system, to have non-hostiles farming planets under a corp's control?
Bane Loppknow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-01-16 21:01:43 UTC
New CVA? The old CVA is still there, they just don't have full control of the region yet.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#3 - 2012-01-16 22:23:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
The old NRDS system CVA ran down in prov worked because of two main factors 1) Good control over number of constellations next to Empire and 2) a strong intel network.

If someone could do these things in today's EVE then yeah sure it could exist.

Unfortunately, letting neutral players roam around your space opens you up somewhat to the mega blob hotdropping that is pretty commonplace.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
DIsposible Hero
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-17 01:50:38 UTC
Yeah, CVA is still there. They won't just let you plop down PI wherever though.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-17 03:30:18 UTC
CVA still exist? What is this? In my Eve? I don't even... Wait, what???
Rory Orlenard
Eve Pilots Revolutionary Army
#6 - 2012-01-17 03:34:23 UTC
We need a CVA member or ex-member to quick post why the expansion forced them to change a wonderful thing they had going .

It wasn't thier idea.
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-01-17 03:41:45 UTC
Didn't CVA get roflstomped after getting a bit to mouthy and pushy with the (larger) neighbours? (Triple A? Atlas? I can't remember it was A something)

I lied :o
DeLaBu
CAF Industries
#8 - 2012-01-17 04:50:13 UTC
Yes, CVA got ROFLstomped. Yes, being CVA, they waited patiently and just came back after the big boys got bored and left.

They have re-settled a lot of systems and it's sort of back to normal especially around the R3 area down to the QBL pocket. Their intel channel is up, running and quite active. Neutrals are welcome to use the space and infrastructure (for a fee of course) and to be farmed by roaming red gangs.

Not quite as much fun as it used to be, but moving in that direction.

Like them or hate them, they bring something unique to this game and have far better staying power than other big alliances that have come and gone.

Even if that means sometimes staying (cough, hiding) in Misaba for a bit Big smile
DIsposible Hero
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-01-17 05:04:41 UTC
A member of CVA on the alliance discussion forums explained it thusly; CVA expansion comes in waves. They'll slowly expand to the point where they can put together a pretty powerful fleet, at which point some FC will get a big head and invade somebody important. At that point they will be, as you so eloquantly put it, ROFLstomped back down. CVA's main "strength" is that nodbody actually wants Providence, because it sucks for resources (no tech moons, no ABC ores). It still beats the hell out of highsec though.
okst666
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-01-17 08:22:28 UTC
I still have ships in that OY-Station....maybe also a jumpclone...

[X] < Nail here for new monitor
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2012-01-17 08:52:34 UTC
Yes CVA is very active in the Providence region these days. Many system has been re-established and neutrals are welcome as far as they are not KOS.

They area is offcourse less secure then before with lots of possiblities to get ganked by non NRDS players still having safe haven in the region.

CVA works like the Amarr always have:

Progress is a term alien to the Amarrians. It’s almost like this huge empire was built on pure coincidence and luck. But once you get to know their intricate system you get the feeling that they’re like this great big beast trudging heedlessly onwards, trampling any opposition. Their advancements are not by leaps and bounds, but rather through deliberate and articulate planning that can span decades, even centuries. Getting caught in the finely woven spider-webs of a Holder can trap more than just you - it can trap your children and your children’s children. Getting out is not a problem. It’s getting out alive that's troublesome.
Excerpt from the autobiography of Yanou Lautere,
First Gallente ambassador to the Amarrians

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Zombatar
Vectors of Virtue
#12 - 2012-01-17 09:25:28 UTC
DIsposible Hero wrote:
A member of CVA on the alliance discussion forums explained it thusly; CVA expansion comes in waves. They'll slowly expand to the point where they can put together a pretty powerful fleet, at which point some FC will get a big head and invade somebody important. At that point they will be, as you so eloquantly put it, ROFLstomped back down. CVA's main "strength" is that nodbody actually wants Providence, because it sucks for resources (no tech moons, no ABC ores). It still beats the hell out of highsec though.


Providence has ABC and rats as good as any place, provided that systems are used and upgraded. The only real difference from other places is that providence has crap moons (no moon goo to give you free 100 billion/month) and meh security level of systems. Those two points are the only real reasons why "the big boys" leave us be.

As of now CVA has almost full control (one system left?) of Providence, just check dotlan. It's pretty much what it was, I guess we have to wait a little until neutrals activity catches up in numbers as before.

Its true that expanding outside Providence will bring bad consequences. By default NRDS policy should not be expansive, rather work through diplomatic means to achieve its goals.



Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-01-17 10:20:45 UTC
Say they're NRDS... Set all notable nullsec alliances and corps to red.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#14 - 2012-01-17 11:43:30 UTC
Provi is getting back to its former self, its nice to see, and neutrals are welcome as always as long as they dont throw up a ruccus.
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#15 - 2012-01-17 11:44:36 UTC
Rory Orlenard wrote:
We need a CVA member or ex-member to quick post why the expansion forced them to change a wonderful thing they had going .

It wasn't thier idea.


If they spent their money building supers to defend their space rather than putting stations in nearly every system they could, they would have had a different future. Also, not having useless blues who will bail to empire the second it looks hairy or outright sell you out to the invaders would be a good measure as well.

Nobody should shed a tear over the fact they couldn't adapt.