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Hulk gets about 10% more yield thanks to the third low.

You detailed how much volume of ore was mined by what ships. What about ice?

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It's time to update your sig.

Under the correct circumstances it is possible to make a profit ganking barges, however is is absolutely minimal and not the primary motivation for gankers. I think it would fit the central themes of EVE better to shift that from trolling to reasons of economics.

I notice that you have intended to keep the yield of the skiff the same, however due to the fact there will be 2 ice miners running at half the speed, you have increased the hold fill time by one half cycle with then new system . Because it has a odd number of blocks of ice that will fit into it.
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I have to agree with the majority here, I can't find a logical reason for most of the changes that you intend. Furthermore the barges are now all basically different variations of the same model which is a net loss imo.

The hulk having 3 miners chewing rocks was a special thing and in a full fleet, a sight to behold.


These changes are unecessary.

I don't know about the rest of the ships, but the hulk, with 3 MLUs, would not be able to fit the same tank as of now, while trying to keep a similar maxed out yield.

Specifically:
we don't know yet the changes in full to the Rorqual (which has a key role for mining boost in null) as of now, testing on SiSi is quite useless as a comparison for this matter, so I'll stick to a Hulk boosted from an Orca (granted you won't change the boost bonuses on this one too):
The cycle goes down to 69.9 which is lower than a Hulk boosted from a Rorqual (70.4), shorter cycle, but less yield because of the changes to strip miners and ship's hull. Unless you try to fit 3 MLUs but still, more than 1000 m3 less yield compared to what we have now, and it turns out it can't keep the same modules it can use now as tank. But not by much, just very few units of CPU missing.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, Fozzie, I can show you the incriminated fit, but even if I can care a bit less about the just a bit less yield, i would rather like to be able to avoid flushing money on different modules and less tank.

If you don't know what to do and how to use the ships, just stfu ignorant. I'm actually concerned about the Orca's changes, as I use it as a mainstay in my fleets.

currently on Test

Hulk (no boosts, but i dont know of many hulks operateing with out orca support, so here is the raw unboosted stats from test)
TANK FIT
High-2x strip miner II w/ T2 crystals
Med- 1x Invul field II, 1x Kin hardener II, 1x thermal harder II, 1x medium shield extender
Low- 1x damage control, 1x power diagnostics, 1x reactor control unit (i needed the reactor control to fit the shield extender)
Rigs= 2x shield extender II's

Shields = 5670 52/79/84/76 (fitting window shows 21k effective hitpoints vs omni)

yield = 1230 (x2) m3 / 103.3 seconds ( 24.28 m3/second - 87,423 / hour)

100% cap stable, no issues with cap

(again, no boosts)

Makinaw (no boosts) (note, its exact same fit as the hulk)
TANK FIT
High-2x strip miner II w/ T2 crystals
Med- 1x Invul field II, 1x Kin hardener II, 1x thermal harder II, 1x medium shield extender
Low- 1x damage control, 1x reactor control unit II, 1xpower diagnostics II
Rigs= 2x shield extender II's

Shields = 6281 51/79/84/76 (fitting window shows 24,973 ehp vs omni)

yield = 1230 (x2) m3 / 145.8 seconds ( 16.87 m3/ second - 60,740 m3 / hour)

100% cap stable, no issues

Skiff
High-2x strip miner II w/ T2 crystals
Med- 2x Invul field II, 1x Kin hardener II, 1x thermal harder II, 1x medium shield extender
Low- 1x damage control, 2x MLU IIs (did not need any cpu or pg stuff, and with my skills, had the room to fit 2x MLU's on it instead
Rigs= 2x shield extender II's

Shields = 16,425 64/82/87/82 (fitting window shows 72,986 vs omni)

Yield = 1462 (2x) / 145.8 seconds ( 20.05 m3/second - 72,197 m3/hour)

100% cap stable, no issues

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ice mineing
exact same load outs, just swaped for ice harvesters (did not use the ice rig) (and swaped for ice miner upgrades on skiff)
(note, all are 100% cap stable, no issues)
Hulk = 2x bricks of ice / 86.1 seconds = 83 bricks of ice per hour
Makinaw = 2 bricks / 121.5 seconds = 59 bricks of ice per hour
Skiff = 2 bricks 100.6 seconds = 71 bricks per hour

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summary

-skiff did not have any cpu/pg issues and thus did not have to fit any such modules in low slot to retain acceptable tank, thus was able to fit 2x mining laser upgrades instead of power grid and or cpu upgrades

new changes show a massive discrepency between the Mackinaw and the Skiff
- recomend that Mackinaw be given slight boost in cpu/pg to be able to drop the PDU/PGU in low slot for 2 mining laser upgrades
at which point then it would have to sacrifice tank (loss of dmg control, and change in mid slots) to add 3rd mining laser upgrade thus maintaining some equality with the skiff

now players can choose between cargo or tank but have roughly equal yield

This new Hulk is not good at all i have no Ore hold and that littel tank i had you take away for 8k m³ more in 1h?

Right now i have this Stats with zero Boost and 5% Imp

3684m³ 122,4sec 108352,94m³


With 3 mlu´s ,5%imp and zero Boost i have this stats

3328m³ 103,3sec 115980,63m³

thats are 7627,69m³ more but i have to turn off 1 midslot and noway i can turn him on.

I already a papertank why you have to **** the hulk more?

Skiff has Tank
Mack has Orehold
Hulk has ?

#givemycpuback