Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While reasonably in terms of the size: transporting firesales around null sec would be a lot easier.

However, I doubt that the market for capital components will be stimulated by this. Unless the market can provide these components a lot cheaper and deliver to your place of need still cheaper than what you can produce yourself, people who build capitals will not buy them and transport them because that would reduce the margin considerably and mean a lot more organizational effort for no added rewards/gains. Neither is going to happen because the serious big time capital builders have their personal mineral suppliers who already give them advantageous ore/mineral prices compared to Jita.

The size reduction would be welcomed, no doubt, if you want to move things around different production stations/arrays (arrays in particular in the future) in your system or the nearby area to minimize index explosion, but I do not see a significant market stimulation.

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It won't do much to the market because people will not buy them, because it will remain cheaper for them to build the things themselves.

I build caps occasionally. I don't buy the components because it's cheaper to haul in the compressed ore and build them on site than it is to haul in the pre built components and build from them. Making the components smaller doesn't change this.

I'm not sure capital construction is a new player friendly activity anyway.

That's completely irrelevant, since you build cap modules with regular minerals, not cap components.

The more of your supply chain you control, the cheaper your end product. Why would I pay a newbie 10mil for a component I can manufacture myself for 9? Or 8 if I have a deal with a friendly miner?

Again, that's completely irrelevant.

Why are you resorting to personal attacks? I am saying that nobody is going to buy the components, because it is cheaper to build them.

It is also cheaper to rat and use that ISK to buy minerals than it is to mine them yourself, unless you're running a dozen accounts. This is also covered in my previous post by simply tying up with a friendly miner and buying his stuff at a discount. You can also do amusing things with buy orders and/or citadels to get your ore cheap.

Why do you think that being able to fit eight or nine complete carriers worth of components in a freighter instead of one and a bit is a good idea? I'm going to go right ahead and assume this is the real reason for your idea.

The size reduction for capital modules changed something? I have not noticed anything worth mentioning. That their production has increased is maybe because people need new modules for their ships, like T2 guns and plates to compensate for the HP reduction of the hulls? Comparing that to capital components that have no use for actually using a capital outside the assembly lines is akin to comparing apples and rocks.

That is because it is useless. No one in their right mind buys prebuilt capital ship components to build a capital ship because, A) it's too much work to import them to low sec (with or without your suggested size reduction), and B) the price you pay for them is more expensive than if you build the parts yourself. The reason why no one buys these components is not only because they are bulky but because they are economically not feasible: To the already expensive components, you would need to add transportation cost as well. No one in their right mind is going to cut their profit margin just like that.

I do not see what the new player card have to do with capital production. New players have no business at all in this industry area. Your idea does not allow new players to contribute to an industry. Your idea enables them to sink tons of money into an industry field they do not understand and cannot compete in and in the end lose money because their products do not sell simply because - and in particular new players - cannot compete with the inhouse build materials and have to sell under mineral cost. That's not the kind of market stimulation I want to see cemented into the game.

I'm hoping this is complete sarcasm. You do not really want price controls in EVE do you?

The main thing this would do is make it easier for capital ships to carry combat refits. Bad change IMO.

Yes it is a serious statement.
Compared to other items on the market like ammo, t1 ships and the most popular PvP modules the cap ship market is extremely small. Looking around the area of low sec where my low sec character currently is there are ZERO as in not even one single cap ship component on the market, and yet I quickly counted hundreds of other items on the market including the useless things like bottles of wine and long stem roses, I even found a distressed damsel. Talking to all of the players I know that have characters in nul sec and worm holes yields essentially the same answer, no one uses the market they are all handled by contract or by simply trading the components while the recipient transfer the ISK into their wallets.

+1 because you're normally nice. (feels good right??)