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Okay, but here is the thing. These problems are a result of changes CCP has made. For example, making war decs more expensive. This was a common request for those getting decced. They probably thought: if it more expensive they won't be able to deck me. Which is true given a very restrictive assumption. That assumption is ceterius paribus, or more commonly known as all other things equal. But in life all other things are rarely if ever constant. There was nothing to stop those who utilize the war dec mechanic from responding via some other dimension. So many of these corporations formed alliances and got bigger. This enabled them to afford the war dec costs whereas smaller corps/alliances could not.

So those complaining about the costs of war decs are left frustrated because they are still getting decced and it seems like nothing has changed. The problem is the people advocating for these changes just do not understand things like economics. While their reasoning was correct GIVEN the ceterius paribus assumption that assumption was something they did not fully understand or appreciate. This is a problem for many people when it comes to economics, and this issue is clearly an economic one...when you try to design something based on prices, costs, etc., then you are talking economics.

An additional change was the removal of the watchlist. This made it very difficult to engage in "targeted war decs". And a natural response to this was to utilize mass war decs and then camp/roam pipes between trade hubs and camping trade hub stations.

So these two changes led to more use of "mass war decs". So in part, those complaining about war decs...well they got what they asked for and it bit them in the ass. This happens quite a bit in economics because what looks like the obvious answer to something fails to take into account that we are talking about people who can change their behavior in response to policy change. So it is tremendously ironic that we are still here talking about war decs and that those who utilize such mechanics for content can have as many as 200 war decs at any given time.

I suggest people look at my signature and consider that it applies very much to this game. You may think you know how some change you advocate will work out, but in the end you probably don't.

Just stay off the trade pipes and out of trade hub systems. They won't go looking for you, they wait for you to come to them.

Alternatively stay in an NPC corp until you have more SP, ISK and exprience.

Or try Eve Uni to pick up the knowledge on how to fight back.

Would you feel better if you had only 1 war going? You would fight then?

Or would your next step be to demand that they not be able to declare a war unless it is even?

Why not just demand removing war altogether?

That will be phase 2 and 3 respectively of their plan to make Eve super awesome, just like WoW.

I expected responces like these after all what would forums be without belittling remarks. I can deal with this issue I'v been killed an won't be the last time. I'm just here trying to represents a few new players in the game. your either hiding the issue because your apart of it or you just don't have a clue what we'r talking about. You just wait this has just began my voice may not fix thing but wait the caous this is going cause....somethings going to be changed .....watch so flame me if u wish.......Zec

Just curious, when I was new we were in war decs. We managed to deal with them. We didn't fight, but we up and moved. They didn't follow. Later war decs were people who used the watchlist and locator agents we did fight back after teaming up with another corp they decced. So...why can't you do this?

BTW, the reason you are in the situation you are in is thanks to CCP. Blanket war decs no the only thing when it comes to war decs....because of changes they have made to the game. I'm doubtful they'll find a way to make thing better for you like you think. CCP rarely does that.

Another thing that I ponder on in regards to the original posts question, as I would argue that EVE is in fact exceedingly appealing and alluring to the potential perusing gamer (It's the keeping them that's the issue) are the questions around whether EVE needs more players?

It would be very interesting to hear from CCP as to what they would consider a ideal number for their player base. Do they need more players? How many more players would they like? How many more players could EVE support? What would be too many players?

Accually right now seems to be perfect for wormholes theres no one there spent 2 days in a relaxing learning experiance...stayed so long all my exits colasped ...then I got Eagles "Hotel California stuck in my head"!

One of your loss mails was in Niarja, so no you did NOT stay off the pipes between hubs. Niarja is particularly bad in that you have to go through it to go from Dodixie to Amarr and Jita to Amarr. The other one...bad luck. Learn to watch local.

Although...you didn't accept somebody new to your buddy list did you?

First off they are 8 million ISK ships and second if you stopped over loading your mother fecking freighter this would not be an issue.

Red Frog Freight shows what can happen if you are prudent: You'll lose your freighter every 10,000 jumps. Assuming the average trip is 50 jumps there and back we are talking 1 freighter loss for every 200 trips. If you use your freighter 1x ever 2 days you'll lose a freighter 1 time every 400 days. And that is the average. It could be far, far less.

And FFS it is averse...risk averse, not risk adverse.

And FFS stop using risk aversion as if it were a bad thing. We are all risk averse and seek to minimize the possibility of loss.

Edit:

Seriously, if you put 8 billion in a freighter you are just begging to get ganked in this game. The expected drop is 4 billion. 4 billion pays for 500 good damn catalysts. 500. If you put 8 billion in your freighter you can pretty much expect to be ganked in short order. You might get away with it a few times, but one you are seen with that kind of cargo that's it. You are going to get ganked.

This is what I call being imprudent. IRL it would be like taking your 401k and putting it all in 1 stock....and then when that stock goes **** up you sit there and talk about how unfair it all is while it was your own greed and imprudence that lead you to the horrible situation you are in.

Stop being imprudent and you'll have very little to fear from gankers. Put no more than 800 million in your freighter, to be really safe limit it to 750 million. Put a tank on your freighter so that it takes more ships to gank you--i.e. make it more expensive. Use a scout, if you see lots of hostiles in system, dock up and wait. Use the standings function to set various ganking groups red so you can spot them in local more easily. If you really need to move through use a webber, but note that is putting you at increased risk.

Other alternatives:

1. If you are moving small volume/high value items look into a blockade runner. One of the fastest ships in game in terms of align/warp speed and it can fit a covert ops cloak so you can warp cloaked making you nearly impossible to catch in HS.
2. If you use a blockade runner use insta dock and insta warp book marks.
3. Use a jump freighter if you can afford one. Jump over gank spots vs. running through them.

Stop blaming everyone else if you behave imprudently. Learn from your mistakes and move on.

And yes, I have actually lost a JF, so spare me this crap I don't know what I'm talking about.

Or, just GTFO.

Edit II: And no, I am not telling people how to play I am giving my own view on how to play. You want to stuff your freighter with 8 billion ISK worth of goodies....well go for it. But do NOT come here and complain or I will point out what a God damn mother fecking idiot you were for doing such stupid fecking thing. But...by all means be as stupid as you want to be.

But realize the nature of this game is that if you are imprudent there are players who will show you exactly how imprudent you were.