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That's some serious dedication to Eve

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-07-26 06:19:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Posting lossmails is against the rules, so I won't.

However, I will post a link to Reddit and if you read yoyo's post (3rd most up voted) that's a pretty chill response, but also a lot of dedication to this game:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4ujvkt/luxury_yacht_down/

I would like to think I'd be as relaxed about such a loss, but then....in reality I don't think I would be.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-07-26 06:37:08 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Posting lossmails is against the rules, so I won't.

However, I will post a link to Reddit and if you read yoyo's post (3rd most up voted) that's a pretty chill response, but also a lot of dedication to this game:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4ujvkt/luxury_yacht_down/

I would like to think I'd be as relaxed about such a loss, but then....in reality I don't think I would be.


He can be chill about it, because he'll have exactly the same amount of injectors next month. All he has to do is leave the extractors at jita and use them through assets and then his income is basically unable to be interdicted.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2016-07-26 06:48:00 UTC
You think someone not raging over the loss of the Victorieux Luxury Yacht with 338 Skill Injectors in cargohold is serious dedication ?

I think the serious dedication is the fact that person has 227 accounts set up to farm Skill Injectors.

Wait, did I say serious dedication ? I meant to say serious exploitation.

Ugh

Personally I think CCP needs to rework the game mechanics for Skill Injectors. Those were originally intended for a character to move SP's from one skill group to another skill group, not bypass the training queue and increase the amount of SP's a character originally had to begin with.



DMC
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-07-26 06:58:35 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
You think someone not raging over the loss of the Victorieux Luxury Yacht with 338 Skill Injectors in cargohold is serious dedication ?

I think the serious dedication is the fact that person has 227 accounts set up to farm Skill Injectors.

Wait, did I say serious dedication ? I meant to say serious exploitation.

Ugh

Personally I think CCP needs to rework the game mechanics for Skill Injectors. Those were originally intended for a character to move SP's from one skill group to another skill group, not bypass the training queue and increase the amount of SP's a character originally had to begin with.



DMC

No, the 227 accounts is the dedication.

The chill response is just an interesting observation, but 227 accounts is amazing.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-07-26 07:13:05 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
You think someone not raging over the loss of the Victorieux Luxury Yacht with 338 Skill Injectors in cargohold is serious dedication ?

I think the serious dedication is the fact that person has 227 accounts set up to farm Skill Injectors.

Wait, did I say serious dedication ? I meant to say serious exploitation.

Ugh

Personally I think CCP needs to rework the game mechanics for Skill Injectors. Those were originally intended for a character to move SP's from one skill group to another skill group, not bypass the training queue and increase the amount of SP's a character originally had to begin with.



DMC


The character bazaar has always bypassed the training queue, it just did it badly. Likewise it was always possible to farm characters. It has however many problems that made for imo less than compelling gameplay (waaay too much capital, far tooo many SPs traded in one go and stomps all over the concept of character histories, or even being able to use a name you like on a character).

I have 15m SP on this character, I've earned all the injectors with this character, and the experience was enjoyable. The feeling of it being able to usefully progress after each injection was awesome. IMO its a better new player experience with injectors.

The game works just fine for people that don't need skill points anymore, ie its not a problem for EVE if newer players can progress more quickly, and its not a problem if they proceed past the point where they care about SP.



Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#6 - 2016-07-26 07:17:44 UTC
Neither amazing or dedication imo. Yeah I agree with Coralas, he will have the same next month and every month hes had that farm set up previously so I highly doubt losing that much THIS month is going to affect his bottom line one wit.

That being said when not really playing the game makes you the most isk its kinda a sad story. I always thought it ironic and funny in a morbid sort of way that the best way to play Eve was to not log in and not play it was bad game design. But the longer I play this game the more humorous this has gotten for me. Someones attacking you? Log off said alt and log in another. Someones war deccing you? Log off said alt and log in another. Want to make isk? Passive isk FTW.

Not logging in is almost always the answer lolTwisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-07-26 07:18:37 UTC
This game is full of exploitations.

Developers don't care at all about them imo.

This is just only another one.
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-07-26 07:21:22 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
This game is full of exploitations.

Developers don't care at all about them imo.

This is just only another one.


The limit to the "exploit" is the price of plex. its actually a fun mechanic in a lot of ways.


Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-07-26 07:46:08 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
This game is full of exploitations.

Developers don't care at all about them imo.

This is just only another one.

Do you ever have a positive word to say about anything?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#10 - 2016-07-26 08:48:26 UTC
Yarosara Ruil
#11 - 2016-07-26 09:33:22 UTC
To say a loss doesn't bother you is a farce. Every loss should bother a person, even if a bit. From disappointment, to mild nuisance, to full blown rage, to pure salt.

But his real strength of character comes from retaining composure even when faced with a loss like this, and bite the pillow.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2016-07-26 09:49:16 UTC
Coralas wrote:


The character bazaar has always bypassed the training queue, it just did it badly. Likewise it was always possible to farm characters. It has however many problems that made for imo less than compelling gameplay (waaay too much capital, far tooo many SPs traded in one go and stomps all over the concept of character histories, or even being able to use a name you like on a character).

I have 15m SP on this character, I've earned all the injectors with this character, and the experience was enjoyable. The feeling of it being able to usefully progress after each injection was awesome. IMO its a better new player experience with injectors.

The game works just fine for people that don't need skill points anymore, ie its not a problem for EVE if newer players can progress more quickly, and its not a problem if they proceed past the point where they care about SP.

You couldn't be more wrong even if you tried. And on top of that you totally missed the point of my post.

The characters for sale in the Bazaar never bypassed the Training Queue. Those characters all spent time getting their skills via the training queue.

The whole point of the training queue is that it makes Eve a long term game giving the player something to work towards and pride in achieving that goal. It also basically keeps CCP collecting money. Characters such as yourself using skill injectors bypass the training queue thus turning Eve into a short term game. You and all the other instant gratification players will more than likely be gone in less than a year due to experiencing most everything Eve has to offer due to buying SP's. P2W will be the death of Eve.

By the way, using the New Player card to justify the exploitation of this game mechanic is weak, especially since it's mainly used by Vet's who can PLEX alt accounts for skillpoint farming.

The CCP Dev who came up with the idea of allowing characters to bypass the training queue and increase skill points with skill injectors should be fired.


DMC
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-07-26 10:03:51 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
This game is full of exploitations.

Developers don't care at all about them imo.

This is just only another one.

Do you ever have a positive word to say about anything?



Yes, I have.

Exploration is amazing.

Factional warfare is amazing too.

Big smile
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-07-26 10:06:11 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
This game is full of exploitations.

Developers don't care at all about them imo.

This is just only another one.

Do you ever have a positive word to say about anything?



Yes, I have.

Exploration is amazing.

Factional warfare is amazing too.

Big smile

:) ignore me then and carry on.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#15 - 2016-07-26 12:30:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
This game is full of exploitations.

Developers don't care at all about them imo.

This is just only another one.

Do you ever have a positive word to say about anything?



Yes, I have.

Exploration is amazing.

Factional warfare is amazing too.

Big smile

:) ignore me then and carry on.

I am a dedicated explorer. I know they could refresh some sites. They are exactly the same every time you run them. What is random is only loot.

But I like exploration nonetheless, I in fact prefer it over everything else. And faction warfare isnt bad too. I have been there and saw how it all works. Had some fun and even kills. Not on this avatar, dont bother searching.
Memphis Baas
#16 - 2016-07-26 13:05:07 UTC
I wonder what his EVE Launcher looks like.
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-07-26 13:55:09 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Personally I think CCP needs to rework the game mechanics for Skill Injectors. Those were originally intended for a character to move SP's from one skill group to another skill group, not bypass the training queue and increase the amount of SP's a character originally had to begin with.


Sadly no, they always have been intended to one and only one thing : generating as much short term money as possible for CCP, whatever the consequences for the game. It's their politic since so many years.
Galaxxis
Unicorn Rampage
#18 - 2016-07-26 13:58:32 UTC
How foolish.
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2016-07-26 14:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Coralas
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Coralas wrote:


The character bazaar has always bypassed the training queue, it just did it badly. Likewise it was always possible to farm characters. It has however many problems that made for imo less than compelling gameplay (waaay too much capital, far tooo many SPs traded in one go and stomps all over the concept of character histories, or even being able to use a name you like on a character).

I have 15m SP on this character, I've earned all the injectors with this character, and the experience was enjoyable. The feeling of it being able to usefully progress after each injection was awesome. IMO its a better new player experience with injectors.

The game works just fine for people that don't need skill points anymore, ie its not a problem for EVE if newer players can progress more quickly, and its not a problem if they proceed past the point where they care about SP.

You couldn't be more wrong even if you tried. And on top of that you totally missed the point of my post.

The characters for sale in the Bazaar never bypassed the Training Queue. Those characters all spent time getting their skills via the training queue.



All the skills I have, were trained on somebodies skill queue. They didn't magic into space. As a returning player however, I wanted to start the game again, see all the things I loved, I just didn't want to play the game at the old speed.

If someone wants to play the game at that speed, they just don't buy injectors.

You know what these players did before injectors. They used their same 200+ accounts to spam make mining or pve alts and sold those instead. Its no different, except that the skill point decisions were standardized and not understood by their owners. Someone that injects skills, knows what they have.

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The whole point of the training queue is that it makes Eve a long term game giving the player something to work towards and pride in achieving that goal. It also basically keeps CCP collecting money. Characters such as yourself using skill injectors bypass the training queue thus turning Eve into a short term game. You and all the other instant gratification players will more than likely be gone in less than a year due to experiencing most everything Eve has to offer due to buying SP's. P2W will be the death of Eve.



You missed my point - EVE remains fun after the skill points you want are acquired. The whole idea that someone should wait around not being able to do things, and then be at the typical end of sub when they get the SP is silly - its that terrible treadmill that unsubbed me from EVE the first time I unsubbed my original character. For reasons like that they sensibly canned learning skills - because the average person unsubs after 9 months, where the learning skills often didn't pay back.

Waiting for skills to train is the least enjoyable thing in eve. Renting was more fun than waiting for carriers to train, since well renting required me to do logistics tasks, kill solo players to prevent them poaching my content and run moon goo and do high end plexes, where as waiting for carriers, I could have done that without logging on. ie Renting was sov null lite, waiting for carriers, was the same as waiting for a bus.

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By the way, using the New Player card to justify the exploitation of this game mechanic is weak, especially since it's mainly used by Vet's who can PLEX alt accounts for skillpoint farming.

The CCP Dev who came up with the idea of allowing characters to bypass the training queue and increase skill points with skill injectors should be fired.

DMC


All SP is trained on someone. There is no moral difference between sell plexes to buy a character and sell plexes to buy SP to build a character.

I've earned something in the order of 12 plexes, including a plex in the first week I played this character - with this newbie character. ie the skill points themselves being sold by the vets that you are complaining about, are vastly more accessible to new players, since they are delivered in chunks that are within the budgetary reach of new players, and further more buying one usually levers the players earning potential up so the next one is easier. Characters did not do this. They were too expensive, too out-of-gamey and too poorly understood by their new owners, and you only got them at the end of the process.
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#20 - 2016-07-26 15:45:49 UTC
Do you really read Reddit, then think, "Gee, they'd just love this on the EVE forum?" Unbelievable.

BOYCOTT REDDIT!!

Remember Boston!

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.

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