EVE General Discussion

Posting lossmails is against the rules, so I won't.

However, I will post a link to Reddit and if you read yoyo's post (3rd most up voted) that's a pretty chill response, but also a lot of dedication to this game:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4ujvkt/luxury_yacht_down/

I would like to think I'd be as relaxed about such a loss, but then....in reality I don't think I would be.

You think someone not raging over the loss of the Victorieux Luxury Yacht with 338 Skill Injectors in cargohold is serious dedication ?

I think the serious dedication is the fact that person has 227 accounts set up to farm Skill Injectors.

Wait, did I say serious dedication ? I meant to say serious exploitation.



Personally I think CCP needs to rework the game mechanics for Skill Injectors. Those were originally intended for a character to move SP's from one skill group to another skill group, not bypass the training queue and increase the amount of SP's a character originally had to begin with.



DMC

The character bazaar has always bypassed the training queue, it just did it badly. Likewise it was always possible to farm characters. It has however many problems that made for imo less than compelling gameplay (waaay too much capital, far tooo many SPs traded in one go and stomps all over the concept of character histories, or even being able to use a name you like on a character).

I have 15m SP on this character, I've earned all the injectors with this character, and the experience was enjoyable. The feeling of it being able to usefully progress after each injection was awesome. IMO its a better new player experience with injectors.

The game works just fine for people that don't need skill points anymore, ie its not a problem for EVE if newer players can progress more quickly, and its not a problem if they proceed past the point where they care about SP.

This game is full of exploitations.

Developers don't care at all about them imo.

This is just only another one.

Do you ever have a positive word to say about anything?

To say a loss doesn't bother you is a farce. Every loss should bother a person, even if a bit. From disappointment, to mild nuisance, to full blown rage, to pure salt.

But his real strength of character comes from retaining composure even when faced with a loss like this, and bite the pillow.

Yes, I have.

Exploration is amazing.

Factional warfare is amazing too.

I am a dedicated explorer. I know they could refresh some sites. They are exactly the same every time you run them. What is random is only loot.

But I like exploration nonetheless, I in fact prefer it over everything else. And faction warfare isnt bad too. I have been there and saw how it all works. Had some fun and even kills. Not on this avatar, dont bother searching.

Sadly no, they always have been intended to one and only one thing : generating as much short term money as possible for CCP, whatever the consequences for the game. It's their politic since so many years.

All the skills I have, were trained on somebodies skill queue. They didn't magic into space. As a returning player however, I wanted to start the game again, see all the things I loved, I just didn't want to play the game at the old speed.

If someone wants to play the game at that speed, they just don't buy injectors.

You know what these players did before injectors. They used their same 200+ accounts to spam make mining or pve alts and sold those instead. Its no different, except that the skill point decisions were standardized and not understood by their owners. Someone that injects skills, knows what they have.



You missed my point - EVE remains fun after the skill points you want are acquired. The whole idea that someone should wait around not being able to do things, and then be at the typical end of sub when they get the SP is silly - its that terrible treadmill that unsubbed me from EVE the first time I unsubbed my original character. For reasons like that they sensibly canned learning skills - because the average person unsubs after 9 months, where the learning skills often didn't pay back.

Waiting for skills to train is the least enjoyable thing in eve. Renting was more fun than waiting for carriers to train, since well renting required me to do logistics tasks, kill solo players to prevent them poaching my content and run moon goo and do high end plexes, where as waiting for carriers, I could have done that without logging on. ie Renting was sov null lite, waiting for carriers, was the same as waiting for a bus.



All SP is trained on someone. There is no moral difference between sell plexes to buy a character and sell plexes to buy SP to build a character.

I've earned something in the order of 12 plexes, including a plex in the first week I played this character - with this newbie character. ie the skill points themselves being sold by the vets that you are complaining about, are vastly more accessible to new players, since they are delivered in chunks that are within the budgetary reach of new players, and further more buying one usually levers the players earning potential up so the next one is easier. Characters did not do this. They were too expensive, too out-of-gamey and too poorly understood by their new owners, and you only got them at the end of the process.