EVE General Discussion

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Who was talking about this in a non-civil way, the people who don't want to talk about the issue and go into insults was the HTFU players.

You are wrong to close down this new debate because it is a debate about the lack of consequences and game balance.


IBL for the insulting types...

EDIT: All credit to the OP that was a very good post

Its been a few weeks since the last nerf to ganking so its time for them to demand just one more.

#1 - 2016-07-26 08:53:12 UTC | | Edited by: Skettis Arthie
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"CCP Falcon" wrote:

In a sandbox game that's designed purely around player interaction, cause and effect, action and reaction, why should the game provide you with a 100% safe option, and why should there be a position in EVE where you're isolated from interaction with other players?

I don't see the logic in CONCORD being anything more than a deterrent, the same way as any real world law enforcement agency operates. They're punitive rather than than proactive in their law enforcement, just the same as real world law works. They act on the principle of an eye for an eye, actually a lot more severe than real world law enforcement.



Like you said falcon, action and reaction.
www.eveonline.com motto: "REAL LIFE SCIENCE FICTION"

What happends right now in real life if I'm in the mood of stealing someones briefcase or cut his throat ?

I will get caught
I will take years in prison
I will have a record on file, next time I'll do it ... i'll get even more years in prison, or even lifetime
Can I bail out ? Depends of the crime ... if I steal a briefcase, then probably yes ...


The state in which I commited the crime would allow me to use a public store (like stations) to hide until I will do the next robbery ? NO way!


What happends right now in EVE if I'm in the mood to start griefing another corp and start taking it's towers, wardec, etc ?

They'll shoot me back (wardec) even if I do not initiate the first attack
They'll attack my towers aswell
They'll attack my sov also (if I have it) starting with disabling clone bays while we're being camped in our station (see what happend to Goonswarm Federation and it's allies)
They'll do anything that takes to make our hisec/lowsec/nullsec life miserable, it's a war afterall


What happends right now in EVE if I'm in the mood to start pirating on a hisec gate (F1+lolz) ?

I'll get my ship killed (concorded)
I'll get my sec-status lowered


I will be allowed to dock within the same system where the crime was commited ? YES
I will be allowed to use station services within the same system where the crime was commited ? YES
I will be allowed to undock and warp freely to my next target within the same system where the crime was commited ? YES
My sec status really hurts me ? NO
My sec status really stops me from being an outlaw ? NO
My victims have any sort of retaliation against me ? NO, I'll just undock - warp - F1, even if they camp me in station - doesn't matter, I'll just have my insta-undock or wait for my timers to go off, which are:

Limited engagement timer <5 minutes
Criminal timer <15 minutes
Suspect timer <15 minutes


Both of the above (1 & 2) will eventually expire within the same timeframe of 15 minutes

If I'm a griefer, ganker, criminal ... CCP LOVES ME! It provides me everything I need to get back in a ganking ship warping to my next target, I can do whatever I want ...


Gankers use bombers these days, allow covert cyno in hisec and allow them to drop on a target
Pirating shouldn't be easy, it's fun, profitable but shouldn't be easy at all!

If I'm a pirate, then I'm an outlaw - I shouldn't be allowed to use hisec-empire facilities, that would force me to make some planning, not just F1-F1-F1 which is stupid. Miners and traders work hard for their buck, it's profitable to me to blow them up ...


If the suggesions above will be implemented, then ... it will be much more profitable to me to start roleplaying this game, not pew-pew - if we could have a "trade" window between two ships I would start bumping a ship which cargo I want, convo him and ask him to give it to me or face death, and that opens a whole new game about REAL PLAYER INTERACTION, there is NO interraction between two players if one decides to F1 the other guy - but if I talk with my victim ... I'm sure we can arrange something considering that I'm not playing for killboards but my own profit.


Invest in roleplay techniques, give players the options, that would be a real sandbox where players start to interract with each other, not just playing for shiny killboards. NO station/gate bans for criminals will stop pirates ... but it will make pirating a real deal that no 7 days old caracter could do in hisec.

Exactly, the circle jerk insults is their way of closing off any other point of view, it is disappointing to see a community manager fall for that.

The key aspect is that the consequences to ganking are laughable, what was suggested I underlined above, these players will have to base out of citadels that is fine they have the means to do just that.

What would that bring to the party, well people going after their citadels, content is what we are talking about...

I will say that the current consequences are fine and that suicide ganking is in a good spot currently. If we where to take more penalties, CCP have to address issues like wardec dodging, extreme security while hauling in blockade runners etc. The game is extremely safe, if you know what you are doing.

You will in turn say, that highsec needs to be more secure and gankers needs to be punished more severely.

This is where the discussion stops. Nothing will be gained, because none of us accepts the arguments the other side gives. Which results in circle-jerking and just the same old arguments repeated over and over again. CCP have made their stance on the matter, no need to "discuss" it further since the discussion creates nothing constructive.

Also, people having a different opinion than you is not a troll. But yeah, the world would be such an easy place to live in, if everyone would agree with what you said.




CCP lock this thread already, I can't stop responding to these threads. I NEED HELP!

The gankers have Citadels, they have an option, it changes it makes it more difficult for them, do you want a walk in the park or a challenge, that is the question, now those Vexor gankers have to have a Citadel, some skin in the game that can be blown up, changing things in hisec perhaps.

When will they be?

So calling for me to be banned is what?

The idea is sound, as gankers have citadels then locking them out of hisec NPC stations is a perfectly valid consequence.

Perhaps stations in high security space ought to refuse docking permission to pilots with a security rating below a particular level, a limitation which can be removed in return for payment of a fine.

I would also request that people in this thread stop trying to take it off topic

Sure, there is no real reason. Just like there is no real reason for why people can so easily dodge a wardec. Or no reason to why highsec stations cannot be blown up.

But you know what, I'll gladly take all the penalties you guys are promoting, if we in turn get rid of many of the safety mechanics you already have.

I suppose that is fair, no?