EVE General Discussion

Since it uses ISK as currency, it's not exactly a proper gambling site either. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that it's an ingame gambling venue, due to the preffered currency.

i miss dinsdale, he knew how to do this properly.

All the isk IWI has is held on characters/corporations in the EVE Universe, therefore it's in game.
How you can possibly pretend it's out of game I don't know, other than sore loser delusions I guess.

CCP makes money from PLEX sales that get used to fund gambling accounts. The second they receive any legal heat about this, it will be against the EULA.

I hate real-world casinos (seriously, so many depressed people in one place is just, what's that Afrikaans word again, oh yeah: grillerig). I hate online gambling even more. What kind of fool trusts a gambling site wholly based on someone's back end coding to be 'fair'? Apparently a lot of fools given the incredible success of sites like somerblink and IWI and other iterations of similar.

Fools and their ISK will soon be parted.



You'd almost be right, except for the simple fact that none of us 'own' anything in EVE. CCP 'owns' all of our ships, ISK, items and characters. It says so, right there in the ToU and EULA that you agreed to when setting up your EVE Online account. That makes legal heat of the kind you're suggesting very, very difficult to apply.

You'd also have to do so under Icelandic law in Icelandic courts.



What complete, first year Philosophy 101 rubbish.
Casino sites don't add ISK directly into the economy, yes you're correct about that.
However, casinos concentrate ISK in the hands of the casino's owners and operators. ISK is an in-game resource. Having access to more in-game resources than someone else, gives you an advantage over that someone.
Equally, someone having a huge pile of ISK allows that someone to have undue influence over the market. This is as true of the likes of George Soros and co in the real world as it is of super-rich individuals inside EVE.
If the source of that ISK is a third party casino website, then that website is having an influence on the game and it's economy.
Your argument is invalid.

Ummm, no... Anywhere CCP has offices (at least) is a potential legal venue. They don't just operate out of Iceland.

All you need is a prosecutor in one or more of those venues (countries) that is willing to start an action, and it's just not worth it financially, or for the press involved for CCP to defend it to allow the practice to continue.

If you need an example, look at what just happened to Valve, and how they swiftly evaded litigation dealt with the problem by altering their EULA.

Personally I don't like casino's either, they take advantage of human psychology to get other people's money without really producing anything of value (my personal opinion, pretty political etc so feel free to ignore this part).

That being said, eve feels like it's supposed to be an extreme free-market, might-is-right, wild-west, no-government-oversight kind of place. I feel like Casino's fit right in with this. Someone concentrating in-game money by manipulating other players feels right at place to me. They're only getting money off characters willing to risk it. It's basically another in-game scam (as is any gambling where the odds are not in your favor). The fact that someone was able to pull it off on a scale to massively affect in-game politics is pretty amazing.

As far as being a third-party site, so are eve related news sites, so are eve related corp support sites (comms, forums, etc), so are market tools, mapping tools, fitting tools and a whole range of other stuff. I'm totally fine with people paying in-game currency for third-party tools and entertainment.

My only issue is the mix of Casinos and IRL money via PLEX, but that's a pretty convoluted issue to do with PLEX in general.

The problem is not if you play or not in gambling site, the problem is what the gambling site do with you money...

For exemple i have see (Bjorn bee? don't remember) an IWI streamer use that isk to roam in dread, that's fun, that give content to the stream, to the ppl who kill you and meh you ! But IWI have doing something that for deserve a ban :

- Anchor Keepstar, yeah i don't know for the ph, gtog, co2, hard knock, even if somehow they all lead to IWI (ph => pl => iwi, gtog => mbc => iwi, co2 => mbc => iwi, hard knock => pl => iwi) the keepstar in maila is officialy from IWI, it was the first in k-space, who will say :" yeah but what ? it's just a citadel, nah it's a keepstar the biggest thing in the game, they said in reddit :' we will anchor 5/6 other in the month coming around the world" an regular alliance can't pay 5/6 keepstar look the GTOG citadel have been paid by ALL alliance in GTOG. I also want to point that they anchor keepstar, so the day Palatine Keepstar will be able in the game, iwi will be the first to deploy it i'm sure at 100% and that's not fair, how a gambling site can handle so mutch thing in the game ?

- The WWB, so yeah Goon had a superpower who reigned over the world for a long time, they done a long list of unethical thing (and for me that bring me in the game because that make me laugh...) so a lot of ppl don't very like them, true, but with all the honestly, the WWB without IWI, it would never happen; in a "talk in a station" an IWI leader said :"For now, this war from IWI have cost 10 tril" so, i know a lot of ppl are rich, i know a lot of ppl make a **** ton of isk, i personnaly handle 6 accunt to multibox 14hour per day, i can make 2bil per day, i guess an alliance with a lot of moon can make a lot of isk, i don't know the real income of an alliance scale with moon, but 10 tril... how does it take to create that capital for an alliance ? Month ? Year ? I don't know but i think a lot of time, IWI came and give 10 tril to MBC to kill SMA then Goon (because "it was fun"). I know i will get ***** about that, but, it's almost like "free income" you can't stop that income, you don't realy have to handle something beside deposit/withdraw (i guess sometimes it's instant, sometimes it take a long time so...) so you create a good capital of isk to start, you create a website, you make good ad, and then you earn more than big alliance ? it's 1°) Not fair 2°) that move a lot of isk every to 1 person : IWI bank, so that disturb the eve economy 3°) it's intouchable

Btw, a lot of ppl have laugh when Mitanni said he will create his own gambling site, but what this guy do it's something just genious, he want to prouve his alliance can earn a lot of isk only with gambling site, he want to prouve that the rules of the game is broken and now if you want make you alliance wallet great again, you just have to have a gambling site who generate more isk than your big moon who everyone want and will try to take so cost to defend etc etc

If they make in-game casino's they better not be run by NPCs.

The best bits of eve are that most of the economy is player driven, not npc driven.

I get that it'd be a great isk sink for the game, but then you're taking something that is player created and driven and just making it another artificial PvE thing. Currently there's no guarantee IWI are legit and won't just run off with everyone's isk when they're done. Perfect eve style drama, scamming, conflict driver etc.

If you just give that to an artificial in-game computer random generator you'll miss out on the cool stuff, like a casino mogul funding the largest recent war.

Frankly I think it comes down to competition. We need more people to compete against IWI and come up with a concept just as good if not better. That is the only way at the moment I see as a solution.

In time though anything can happen. Eventually people might get sick and tired of casino's and their popularity could die down. Who can predict the future?

If you let Coke have market share for carbonated beverages and no one competes they are simply going to dominate. This is pretty simple stuff imo.