Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Maybe it's more important to encourage the newbies to drop the kiddie pool as an aspiration, and instead head out for the deep end

This is nothing new. It was happening 9 years ago when I was a new player. Yet another reason to get out of high sec.

Frankly, I don't have a problem with removing the restrictions on some acceleration gates and letting players use Battlecruisers if the complex allows in T3's and the Gila.

I marked some important stuff you said and contradicted yourself in. What is the question again?

First, I am a vet. Second, you completely missed my point. My point is this: Gate restrictions do not affect vet players. I can run up to a 5/10 in an assault frigate on my main. Put me in a faction or t2 cruiser and i can do up to a 8 or 9/10.

Gate restrictions DO affect new players because they have to make up for DPS and tank by using a bigger ship. So the gate restrictions have no affect on vet players, which i think was the orginal intention was to not allow older players to be able to blitz high sec sites and low level missions. However the system hasnt been updated except to allow other ships of the same hull size.

New players have to warp in and out, and are forced to use ships with low dps and bad tanks to do sites and some missions. While vets can use high dps and high tanked ships. So my point is that gate restrictions are really only hurting newbies and has zero affect on vets.

If i wanted to stop vets from using high sec site gates i would of said to switch the ships size restrictions to SP restrictions.



There was no contradiction. Ive been playing since 2008, i havent played in high sec to any significant degree for the last 6 years.

I recently created a new account ( as in " in addition to" the accounts i already have). I decided to play around in high sec while i train my newbie up. Doing so i noticed that gate restrictions are only hurting newbies, vets still blitz sites because they are using ships that easily tank the sites AND put out 500 DPS plus. Newbies are struggling to hit 200 dps on a good day with a paper tank. Removing gate restrictions on ships would allow newbies to use ships with more tank and better DPS such as the drake and gnosis. Its pretty simple.




Thats not a mistake, it IS the kiddie pool. All games have a safe or mostly safe area for new players to learn the game in. High sec is that place. There is nothing in high sec that pays better than null sec and low sec is in between. Mining doesnt pay better in high sec. Missions do not pay better in high sec. Sites do not pay better in high sec. anoms do not pay better in high sec.

The game is geared towards getting people out of high sec and into the core part of the game/ main area. which is null space. When new content is added to the game a majority of it is focused on null sec gameplay. gankers and wardeccers are allowed in high sec to both prep you for the main part of the game and give you another reason to leave high sec.

CCPs ultimate goal is to get you out of high sec and experience eve at its maximum potential. But they want you to go on your own rather than by force.

Get your money. Where exactly in space you operate is of little concern to them beyond that. You're making a lot of assumptions that simply aren't, or probably aren't, true.

It's called progression, a new player lacks the skills and isk to run these sites efficiently and there are plenty of alternatives where they can earn money while their skills develop. If they can run these sites in a shitfit battlecruiser, you remove any need for them to look at other ships, they will never get out of their battlecruiser until more experienced players use better fits to run them faster and someone else shows up on the forums demanding you let battleships in because reasons.

Essentially, your own previous experience with the game is biasing your opinion.

Your getting hung up on the "new player VS vet player" and still the point is flying over your head. So im going to type slowly so you understand...

First, originally gate restrictions were to prevent players with large ships from blitzing sites and missions. The idea was to use an appropriately sized ship.

Second, this became pointless with the introduction of t2, t3, and faction ships. The gate restrictions were still based on hull size. This allowed players skilled in said ships to blitz the sites anyway.

Third, and i want you to pay REALLY close attention to this part, gate restrictions have ZERO affect on a vet player. Even if you removed restrictions do you think a vet is going to do sites in a rattlesnake? golem? mach? Its unlikely. Those ships are slow. Its much more efficient for vets to still blitz in cruiser size ships.

Fourth, removing gate restrictions would allow new players more flexibility to run sites. They could fit better tanks and that extra 50-100 dps really matters. Making it easier for them to run sites.

You are getting hung up on the vets. Like i said if i wanted to restrict vet use of sites i would of instead suggested limit high sec site gates by xp rather than ship size.



Really? REALLY? A lot of bovine scatology in that quote. Most of those that live in null would disagree with you. In fact a majority of eve would likely disagree with you. High sec is much safer than low sec. Low sec is somewhat safer than null. Just because it is not 100% safe doesnt make it a newbie area.

And the only thing in high sec that MIGHT be more profitable than null is trading and that really depends on what your trading and your bankroll. As far as PVE content, it is 100% geared towards low skilled players. The isk/hr is geared towards newer players. Something doesnt have to be 100% safe to be considered a newbie area.

LOL. If you would venture out to null and live a while and engage in the game with unrestricted gameplay you would understand.

If you remove all the alts of people who spend more than 75% of their time in low and null from high sec, And remove any character under 1 year old from high sec. You would find the actual population would be quite low. You think all that stuff on the market in jita comes from high sec industry? You would be surprised at how little of it comes from high sec. High sec is an insignificant area of the game to most players used as shopping plaza.

As you said CCP wants you to do what you want. They want as few restrictions as possible. Thats why they encourage you to leave high sec with "motivators" rather than force you. If they forced you then it wouldnt be your sandbox and you couldnt do what you wanted. But if you actually pay attention to the dev (v)blogs, you can clearly see their full intention is for you to play in unrestricted space AKA: Null and w-space. Better than 90% of new content is focused on null and w-space. Why do you think that is? Why arent they adding more missions? More ways to mine in high sec? sure high sec gets some upgrades but its mostly by proxy from new content geared at null. High sec is the kiddie pool and CCP rarely focuses attention directly on high sec because they dont want you to spend your eve lifetime there. They want you to get out and play in the sandbox, no rules, no restrictions.

1. Maybe, maybe not.
2. Your point being? T2 and faction variations have been around since at least 2009, T3 cruisers for around the same time and the T3 destroyers are a more recent edition, who are you to say that we shouldn't be using them to massacre NPCs in hisec?
3. Removal of gate restrictions will result in people like me using RLML Rattlesnakes and AC Machariels to blitz them even faster than we do now; yes the ships may be a little slow, the DPS compensates for that nicely. TL;DR newbies would be in a worse position than they are now when it comes to competing with more established players for hisec PvE.
4. While it may allow newbies more flexibility, it would allow more established players the same, and given that older players have a greater choice of tools to use the status quo wouldn't change; we would still be kicking the snot out of NPCs faster than the newbies can and they still won't be able to compete.

Nope, you're the one getting hung up about how unfair it is that older players are better at Eve than new players, next thing we know you'll be wanting prizes for participation.

That's arse backwards, nullsec is in fact safer than hisec; particularly sov null, lowsec is fairly empty because the waters there have been overfished, hisec is an oasis in the desert where all the fat juicy and unaware prey come to drink deep of the waters of profit, and where the predators come to relieve them of their stuff.

Also bollocks, the isk/hr is inherently biased towards those who can leverage their skills (both ingame and social) in the most effective manner.

1. Many of us have ventured and lived in nullsec, wormholes and lowsec, try again
2. I'll just leave this here; Total production value, most industry is done in hisec because the logistics are much simpler.
3. The full intention is to let people attempt to play Eve as they wish, Eve is touted as a PvP game, as such PvE content has never been the design focus of Eve.

That's been pointed out repeatedly, unfortunately there are none so blind as those who will not see beyond the end of their own nose.

OP still spouting this non-sense and is dumber than ever, lol.

I see very clearly what is wrong with your post, however since you are not capable of grasping simple concepts without them being spoon fed let me try this.

The OP wants to remove the gate restrictions on sites in high sec and no doubt missions although that has not been stated.
New playes in this game come in with the silly idea that bigger is ALWAYS better and this idea would only serve to reinforce that. Restrictions to ship size can and do help them see that smaller is better in many ways. Ship restrictions also help to retrain their brains that there are appropriate ships for all purposes, but there is no ship that is appropriate for ALL purposes.

The OP wants these restrictions to be removed because it will give the new players more flexibility in what they can run.
While that is true you are simply choosing to ignore, or perhaps you are blind to the reality that this flexibility would extend to the vets who come to raid these sites. So you get to a situation where the new players can run them a little bit faster but the vets can get to them and run then even faster so what has the suggestion solved?

The OP wants this because they THINK it will give the new players a better chance to complete these sites BEFORE a veteran player can interfere and steal the stuff. As I just outlined in the paragraph above with the restrictions removed the vets can use ships that are even better for the task at hand (raiding another players site) than they have access to now. So again the idea essentially changes nothing.

Edited to correct an error in the first sentence.