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Making EVE PVE Epic

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Raindeth
FACTION Inc.
Still Irrelevant
#1 - 2016-06-23 23:00:29 UTC
We know the problems:

Agents are 2 dimensional, missions are repetitive, NPCs are boring, nothing feels like it matters, etc.

This is how you fix it:

Meaningful and dynamic NPC options have always been available to you, but now with the addition of structures and player owned station services, ignoring them any longer would be tragic. CCP, make the NPCs answerable to the players.

For example, let's say I own a market fortizar and there is just too much nearby competition. Instead of trying to organize player mercenaries to completely destroy the competition (a very expensive and perhaps overly aggressive endeavor) I hire some pirate NPCs to harass the competition. Their attacks could raise my opponent's fuel costs, extort the brokers at his structure (thereby increasing the brokerage fees charged, but not collected), disable his services, lengthen his vulnerability window, or even disable docking at his structure (another service) if left unchecked. Other things one could hire NPCs to do might require a wardec, such as actually firing on and pursuing players through gates.

Now, depending on how much you pay these NPCs, they will be of a certain strength. Because they will be persistent, you cannot just shoot them once and be done with them. This opens up the opportunity for players to sponsor missions for other players. These hostile NPCs might have a base (or several) in the system (entosis?). There might be a chance of finding out definitively who hired them if enough players perform specific tasks. They might have a base bounty depending on a percentage of how much was spent to hire them. That bounty could be increased by the party who is being attacked to attract more players to kill them quickly.

Also, on the other side of the coin, one might hire NPCs to help one's own structure. NPCs would fight opposing NPCs in fights that players could jump into the middle of at will. This action would give the universe more of a realistic feel, instead of "nothing happens unless a player is involved." (wrecks of NPCs shot by other NPCs might only last a few seconds). Also, players might sponsor other player missions that reduce fuel costs or shorten one's own vulnerability window, etc.

To give things variety, there might be several "paths" hired NPCs can follow to achieve each particular goal. It may not be entirely clear which strategy they are employing until many player-run missions are completed. Likewise, it may require many missions run by players on behalf of the hiring corp in order to find and negotiate with the initial NPCs in the first place. Only after those missions are successfully run, can the NPCs be hired and set in motion. Stronger NPCs require more missions and/or a wider variety of players running the missions, etc.


There are many interesting and engaging possibilities. I have not looked to see whether this has been suggested elsewhere.





darkneko
Come And Get Your Love
#2 - 2016-06-23 23:21:02 UTC
this sounds more like increasing the eVp of the game by actually having npcs come after players instead of you having to go out and find them.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#3 - 2016-06-23 23:25:41 UTC
Just no! I like to get my isk from somewhere and I am a good girl and give it all back to pay for even more books in my shelf.

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Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2016-06-24 00:33:53 UTC
Raindeth wrote:
This is how you fix it:

No, it isn't. What you're suggesting here is a way to make NPCs do your PvP for you. All you're doing is badly hiding this behind the thin veneer of "improve PvP."

If you're mad because someone's space castle is getting more visitors than your's, the solution is not to ask CCP to code in a way for you to hire NPCs to attack them. Mercenaries already exist in the game.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#5 - 2016-06-24 01:30:52 UTC
No. Do it yourself. That's the whole point of EVE.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#6 - 2016-06-24 12:48:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Raindeth wrote:
nstead of trying to organize player mercenaries to completely destroy the competition (a very expensive and perhaps overly aggressive endeavor) I hire some pirate NPCs to harass the competition.

Read your title and was hopeful.
Read your post until I got to this and was to say the least extremely disappointed an quit reading.

NO is my answer to this horrible idea.

If you have a problem with a competitor shoot them in the face, or in this case the citadel and be done with it. If you cannot or will not do that there are mercs in the game that for a fee will be glad to do it for you.

If you do not want to shoot them in the face or even have the mercs do it for you then figure out how and why they are attracting all the buyers and adjust what you are doing.