Crime & Punishment

Looking for targets that can't fight back sounds like excellent tactics to me, not "sucking".

I explore; my killboard is entirely red. Do I complain that the people who shot my eggshell explorers suck? No; they won and I lost. They're not idiots for finding the eggshell to shoot at.

^^ how to talk your way onto the list.

Fixed that for you.



Expecting to mine AFK (or whatever you call it) and not occasionally die horribly is unrealistic.

Mining distracted is as bad as not being at the keyboard, if you're tabbed out you're essentially AFK because you're not paying attention to the client.

AFK not only stands for Away From Keyboard, it also stands for A Free Kill.

I complained about nothing. I merely posted because I am peeved by the amount of willful ignorance and strawman rhetoric being displayed in this thread.


Also being alert is meaningless. Whether you get ganked as a highsec miner is determined by where you choose to fly and what barge you are using. I fly a skiff in backwater systems out in the middle of nowhere and I never see anything more threatening than a astero. But I know miners who never under any circumstance afk or tab out who got/get ganked almost weekly simply because they choose to mine on a pipe or even worse near jita.

The willful ignorance comment was directed at the people that like to invent ridiculous caricatures of miners just so that they can claim some (non-existent) moral high ground.


You say that location is not so important and then proceed to give a example of location being important.

That swings both ways.

I directed my comment in the opposite direction, namely those who invent ridiculous caricatures of hisec PvPers so that they can claim a non-existent moral high ground.

I provided an example that directly contradicts your statement, which was:
The minutiae of my example, i.e. there's better targets next door, is neither here nor there; my point remains, you can mine on a pipe without getting ganked.

As I said, I chose to mine on a pipe and have never been shot at by gankers; maintaining situational awareness or vigilance as you called it, despite your claims to the contrary, does help to prevent explosive pod removal accidents.

You are *not* playing solo. You're in a virtual word with several hundred thousand, tens of thousands are online with you at the same time.

Not joining a corp or at ĺeast getting aquainted with some other pilots is - sorry - being stupid. Or to me more polite :-) - extremely unwise and ill-informed.
You don't first learn the game and then *join* a corp - you best learn the game by joining a half-way decent corp ASAP.
While there is no shortage of pilots who'll shoot you on sight - there's also plenty who will help you.

Also it doesn't matter that you know nobody in RL that plays EVE - it matters that you make friends in EVE.

CCP could easily have made it impossible to attack other pilots in high-sec. They didn't. They made it costly - but possible.
Most of the time you'll be almost safe in high-sec - sometimes you won't.
That's not a bug - it's a feature. It's exactly why EVE does not become boring,

Don't sit solo in a mining belt and go afk.

Also don't make the common mistake of waiting to get particular ships to feel safe. There is no safe ship. A cruiser or destroyer is not safer than a frigate. It all depends on what ships you encounter and what the numbers of pilots on your and their side are and how good everybody is.

Don't sit bored in a belt. Do missions instead. Again – get into a corp right away. If it doesn't work out - join another corp until you find an ok one.
Mining can be fun, if you have some corp buddies in voice chat and especially if you do it in low sec and a ganker might arrive at any second. Have a mining compeitton. Make it fun.

But you don't have to mine at all. Do missions, do faction warfare, become a trader, find something that doesn't make you want to be afk for hours.

Really, joining a good corp makes all the difference. You have people to chat with, who can give you advice and more likely that not have stuff in corp hangars for you to use freely (plenty of mods usually for the taking, even free frigs some times - but depends on corp policies). At the very least they'll provide you with all the information you need to become better *much* *much* faster than if you try to do it all on your own. We're talking hours and days instead of days and weeks.
You'll be in cruisers and BS much faster while in a corp.

If you need tips or have burnnig questions feel free to contact me. I like to help - but you won't get my sympathies for getting ganked while mining afk.

And - sure - CCP looses the occasional customer to high-sec gankers. But they have retained so many more players who enjoy a game that is different from the usual glorified LAN games that dare to call themselves MMOs.

The trolls won't care about you leaving. They use tears for fuel.

New Eden is openly marketed as a harsh environment. That was truthful advertisement. But you'll also meet plenty of nice people who help each other out all the time. All the more meaningful in a harsh environment.

Posts like yours have been posted for over a decade. High-sec ist still a police-after-the-fact - not prevent - area.
EVE is supposed to be dangerous. The losses hurt and that's what makes the game all that more exciting.

I'm not a big fan of high-sec gankers - but I do think that they are a valid part of EVE and at the end of the day provide the service or making EVE feel a little dangerous everywhere (though high-sec is not *that* dangerous - it's still mostly safe-ish most of the time).

Join a corp – learn how to fight - get into a gang with some friends (who might be RL countries away) - then shoot as many gankers as you like. It's fun. Guaranteed. :-)



The answer to this question is that most of the veteran players are not your problem. They are either out in null-sec or have otherwise better things to do than gank your afk mining ship.

But some pilots (both veteran and new-ish) will gank you anywhere under all circumstances. And no appeal to their genereous nature will help you. They'll double-gank you instead.

Welcome to EVE
(seriously - join a corp - TODAY!!!)

Blowing up AFK miners is boring. It's ganking the ones that are at the keyboard and griefing them afterwards and making them cry in local that's fun.

My wallet highly disagrees with your ass-esment of mining not being profittable and it's fun as well.

So please, just because you like to **** bears on the highway, doesn't mean everyone else does too.

Ofcourse, unlike the OP, I don't mine in High-sec, never have, never will.