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Not sure how no one thought that adding 15.6% & 25.4% more module PG requirements for short and long range respectively doesn't affect anything relating to powergrid needing a buff too.

Can we rotate the Nag model forward 135 deg and scale it down?

Because you never drop on solo carriers with a small fleet and I drop on them everyday.

Perhaps you need to change how you play?

Carriers wwere a free lunch before patch, they arent now, thats basicly it

Who are you to tell me to change how I play?

I land more ISK and people on grid. I take more risk coming in your system. There are so many measures you can take to not to get caught to me. And still yet there is no way I can kill you. Thats unfair. Perhaps you should change how you nullbear.

That doesn't necessarily make you right.

The fact is, cost isn't a balancing because there are just too many variables involved. Some people fly with more expensive modules than others. I can build a 100 million ISK stealth bomber with little trouble. And it will die horribly to the first 30 million ISK RLML Caracal it decides to (unwisely) attack.

You have to adapt your tactics to the changing game environment. It's called evolution - those who will not, or cannot, will lose the race for supremacy.

I can fit a frigate to be worth more then a carrier, doesnt mean it can kill one

You are behind the meta, and are unwilling to adapt


Sounds like a harden the **** up moment tbh

Thx CCP,

finally you buff carriers with the Citadel expension and they are getting intersting for pvp and some alliances actualy use them and only after not even 2 months of usage BAM! u nerf them.

So buh-huh!.. who ever thinks thats ballance I say thats bull****. You don't know. CCP is going too much "try-and-error" lately and it gets on the players nerves! So many good ideas to improve the game were realized so louzy. It's like you are trying to change the traffic from right to left side ... step by step... at first, only for buses...

For a carrier you have to skill several months, or maybe even years and put in a considerable amount of different skills and ISK only to fly them, not even talking of mastering them. Remember how much only the "Capital Ships" and "xxx Carrier" Skillbooks cost additional to all the fitting stuff and the hull??
And then you complain that a newbro with 2 mill SP and a sabre is unable to tackle and initiate the destruction of that ship? He should nerver be able to! Never! 20 of them maybe, yes BUT NOT 1!! Whats that for balance?
I bet that guy wants also try to sink an aircraft-carrier with an inflatable boat and complain that it is unbalanced when he only gets in sight before he gets blown up...yeah definately needs to be nerfed too ... 'cause that will definatley bring more fun into the game for capital pilots and bigger alliances. /irony off

I don't see that carriers are overpowerd, only that they finaly have a destinct use in the game. The changes are definately to early. Barely anybody in the game can adept to that playsitye or find methods to deal with that and you are changing it again. That is bad. How do you expect to find out if something works if you don't even give the time to study the matter For a big change like the citadel expension was, that one is too soon and not right.

Like others pointed out, give the Naglfar additional power grid. You are forcing 1x powergrid rig or RCU on pretty much all Naglfar fits now.

Edit: THANK GOD FOR THE ECM IMMUNITY!

lots of blablabla

FEIGN deals with Carriers fairly well. Turn left does as well.
ECMing the fighters IS the way to go, btw. You also have other ways to deal with them, but ECM is the most straight forward type.
We kill carriers, also with Blops. We don't bring 3 though.
You're not supposed to engage everything with a blops, so target selection depending on your size, please.
Also, your BLOPS BS will NOT get one volley'd by the fighter squads. Where's the problem again to kill the carrier?

The Naglfar needs it's fitting checked. CCP must have overlooked it.

The long range bombers special ability is still impossible to aim with. There's no cues for distance and no cues for timing. Manual piloting bombers / fighters in space is something we already do fairly well, but in this case it's hard to even hit a stationary target properly. The radius is also incredibly small. Maybe we could give input on the balancing if CCP would set forth the actual intended targets for this attack type so we can bring solutions.
Generally, tactical overview in detached mode could change the range indicators centered to whatever you have selected actively at the very moment. would give range cues, which are really important.

FAX doesn't need ECM immunity. like not at all. they are already Godlike to subcaps and an almost guaranteed escalation button requiring an insane amount of numbers or other capitals. ECM immunity makes it worse. Also, Entosis FAX is a thing. this is just making sillier.

ECM on Marauders, yes, on Dreads, maybe.


Carriers don't instablap any interceptor that i know of.
They will instablap many T1 frigates. Result, good. Proper T2 tackle ships will do their job. We are also fairly successful at the use of sabres against carriers and no, they don't get all volleyed off the field. in fact, the only sabres lost, will die to to error or absolute hero tackle.
People need to learn to adapt and accept that these are NEW ships and stop comparing to what was before.

3 guns with no damage bonus does exactly the same DPS as the old 2 guns with 50% damage bonus.

Please either learn to do basic arithmetic or post on an out-of-alliance alt, you're embarrassing us.