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Dev blog: DirectX 9 Phase Out

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2016-06-02 20:01:46 UTC
Thanks, understand that I will not be going to Windows 10... So this time next year if you start thinking about phasing out directx 11 and moving to 12.. I won't be going with you. Cannot stand Win10.

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Aerious
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#82 - 2016-06-02 20:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aerious
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Thanks, understand that I will not be going to Windows 10... So this time next year if you start thinking about phasing out directx 11 and moving to 12.. I won't be going with you. Cannot stand Win10.


There are many like you, the biggest regret i have to date is upgrading Win 7 Pro to Win 10 Pro, having worked in IT with various OS from Win NT4 onwards, i will never put another MS pile of **** on my hardware, being running ubuntu now for the past 4 months and it's great.

So if no solution is to be found, 12 years of eve will come to an end! Sad

"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#83 - 2016-06-02 20:28:55 UTC
Nimbo Slice wrote:
Can we do something about the whole Dx11/Mumble overlay not working together before we roll this out.

Mumble doesn't yet officially support DX11. The beta snapshots do have it, though.
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#84 - 2016-06-02 20:50:26 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Darwin
Ionized First Strike wrote:
I play the game with anywhere between 6 and 15 accounts logged in at any time. When launched using DX11 I get a "socket closed" error on multiple accounts within 2-3 hours, sometimes sooner. When launched using DX9 I rarely get "socket closed".


If you feel this is repeatable for you, can you

  1. turn on "Start Clients With Logging" in your launcher settings
  2. Enable DX11
  3. Play Eve until it disconnects
  4. Exit the client, switch to the LogLite app (which will have run alongside it) and save your log file.
  5. Submit a bug at our bug reporting website. Please attach the log to the bug.
  6. Post your bug report number back in this thread, or mail it to me in-game.

It's possible your log information might help in figuring out what the issue is with this.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#85 - 2016-06-02 20:58:43 UTC
Azahar Ortenegro wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
You know the new launcher allows you to have different sets of settings for Eve? And you can launch all clients at once (with optional delay)


And that is exactly what I do not want. I don't always have 3 clients of EVE running.



The important word is 'can'. Not 'have to'

Woo! CSM XI!

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Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#86 - 2016-06-02 21:01:32 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
CSM Steve Ronuken and CCP Vertex, I do want to say thank you for engaging on this. Tackling it isn't easy, but I think such active participation has flushed out some good information, and also, Steve, has given the CSM a bump up in the perception that the CSM matters more these days.



This was always going to be a contentious change. Like the OS minimum requirements is going to be. I'm predicting a (small) wave of complaints when XP support goes away at the end of the month.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Tierce Japhrimel Iblis
Vanity Thy Name Is
#87 - 2016-06-02 22:20:05 UTC
With finding out there's been some work on the game client's use of DX11 not being the buggy hot mess I left it for, I'll give it another try and see if it's more stable. If not, I'll get the bug report in and post it's numbers here.

However, I flat out refuse to switch to Windows 10. Windows 7 is doing just fine for me and doesn't behave like a bastard child of malware and bloatware!

M$ really blew the rollout of 10. I can only compare the rage against ME (nightmare for MMOs!) to this failure of hyping and PR attached to 10.

Here's hoping with fingers crossed DX11 isn't the half whited out screen/socket closed headache it was last time I used it for Eve.
Azahar Ortenegro
Seashells and Fireflies
#88 - 2016-06-02 23:10:44 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
The important word is 'can'. Not 'have to'


That's beside the point. If you launch two accounts of EVE with the new launcher, they're launched with the launcher's ID, and so cannot be separated in the taskbar. It's a loss of functionnality compared to the 'old' launcher, a functionnality that I need. You may not care about having an ordered taskbar, I do.
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#89 - 2016-06-02 23:14:42 UTC
Is it normal for a slight bonner for a 64bit game client?

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
#90 - 2016-06-03 09:37:36 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Thanks, understand that I will not be going to Windows 10... So this time next year if you start thinking about phasing out directx 11 and moving to 12.. I won't be going with you. Cannot stand Win10.


Your current OS supports DX11 so no need for Windows 10, we wont be looking at any major graphics engine switch over in the foreseeable future.

**CCP Vertex  |  Senior Development Manager ** | @CCP_Vertex
CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
#91 - 2016-06-03 09:41:37 UTC
Tierce Japhrimel Iblis wrote:
With finding out there's been some work on the game client's use of DX11 not being the buggy hot mess I left it for, I'll give it another try and see if it's more stable. If not, I'll get the bug report in and post it's numbers here.

However, I flat out refuse to switch to Windows 10. Windows 7 is doing just fine for me and doesn't behave like a bastard child of malware and bloatware!

M$ really blew the rollout of 10. I can only compare the rage against ME (nightmare for MMOs!) to this failure of hyping and PR attached to 10.

Here's hoping with fingers crossed DX11 isn't the half whited out screen/socket closed headache it was last time I used it for Eve.


We appreciate you giving DX11 another go, i'm sure you'll have a much smoother experience. Just remember to update your GPU drivers :)

**CCP Vertex  |  Senior Development Manager ** | @CCP_Vertex
Emiko P'eng
#92 - 2016-06-03 09:58:37 UTC
Ionized First Strike wrote:
I play the game with anywhere between 6 and 15 accounts logged in at any time. When launched using DX11 I get a "socket closed" error on multiple accounts within 2-3 hours, sometimes sooner. When launched using DX9 I rarely get "socket closed".
Humm!
That explains a lot.
I was assuming that all the "Socket Closed" errors I have recently were the result of changing Internet Providers.

But thinking about it, the problem ties in better to my change over to DX11 than my swapping ISP.

Hehe!

Never thought disconnecting problems could be tied to graphics problems. Big smile
Josef Djugashvilis
#93 - 2016-06-03 12:49:37 UTC
I eagerly await a post from CCP Falcon telling us that the removal of DX 9 has the support of 110.5% of the player base.

He knows you know :)

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Drabbin Mishi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2016-06-03 13:55:09 UTC
Azahar Ortenegro wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
The important word is 'can'. Not 'have to'


That's beside the point. If you launch two accounts of EVE with the new launcher, they're launched with the launcher's ID, and so cannot be separated in the taskbar. It's a loss of functionnality compared to the 'old' launcher, a functionnality that I need. You may not care about having an ordered taskbar, I do.



Try this: http://rammichael.com/7-taskbar-tweaker
Azahar Ortenegro
Seashells and Fireflies
#95 - 2016-06-03 17:03:14 UTC
I'm supposed to install an explorer injector to get a functionnality that was removed from the launcher by CCP, one that could be added easily? I used one of those when I was on XP, back in 2002-2007, but we're in 2016 now.
Atum
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
#96 - 2016-06-03 19:09:03 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I eagerly await a post from CCP Falcon telling us that the removal of DX 9 has the support of 110.5% of the player base.

He knows you know :)

Are you suggesting CCP Falcon is running an FDIV-afflicted i586?
Aischa Montagne
Blut-Klauen-Clan
#97 - 2016-06-03 21:16:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Aischa Montagne
OOC:

I realy do not understand the Linux-eve faction.
If you would realy care about wine you should have recognized that Direct11 support is comming or already availible with wine with the start of the year.

https://www.codeweavers.com/about/blogs/caron/2015/12/10/directx-11-really-james-didnt-lie

And if not, you could support the wine developers with buying one time subscription for crossover and say thank you that you do not have to use Windows...

yeez people.
Also Mac Users I think will be able to move to directX11 when CCP phases out DirectX 9 somewhere in the future.

So win-win and all can be happy. (Well almost all. I do not get the Windows people at all. They hate it as much as they use it. What a sadistic attitude)
Norahb
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
Renaissance Federation
#98 - 2016-06-04 01:28:31 UTC
Linux user here and loving it so much that I am sticking with it. Windows 10 sucks so bad that I know a lot of people moving to linux for the first time. I've made the decision that any game that can't be played on Linux isn't worth playing.

I also recall hearing or reading that something like 25% of Eve players show up as being on window XP and that a large portion of them were actually Linux users as wine shows up as win XP from what I recall. If you add that to all the Apple users I think that comes up to a pretty healthy percentage of your player base.

Windows is dying if you guys don't have plans to get away from Direct X you risk going down with them. Just look at the numbers and you'll finds the majority of devices connect to the internet are not using a windows OS.

So if you guys do plan on locking out a huge portion of your player base you might want to announce that you will refund anyone's money that they have left in game time if you make the game unplayable or some of us will just cancel subs to avoid getting locked out of playing on paid accounts.
Atum
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
#99 - 2016-06-04 03:15:19 UTC
Norahb wrote:
Windows is dying if you guys don't have plans to get away from Direct X you risk going down with them. Just look at the numbers and you'll finds the majority of devices connect to the internet are not using a windows OS.

Has Netcraft confirmed that? 'Cause, y'know, they've said BSD has been dying for something like 20 years now. As for "the majority of devices," well, I don't think anybody's going to attempt to FC from their phone. Not even DBRB.
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman
CK-0FF
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#100 - 2016-06-04 10:09:50 UTC
Quote:
we will be removing clouds from the DirectX 9 client in an upcoming release.

Yay, I'm definitely going back to DX9 then so I can get a decent framerate while doing PvE.