Warfare & Tactics

I'm just going to check in my 2p worth as I'm on my lunchbreak.

They are my own, not those of my corp and I don't represent my alliance.

I think there's a bit of an identity crisis going on right now in Galmil with two disparate main groups as Vesk quite rightly states.

In one corner Northern Galmil, who have a long history in FW, have a matured player base and able to afford and field relatively high tier (for FW at least) and competent fleets - that hasn't come about by accident but by having an inclusive view on the militia that has been and always will be maintained. However, the expectations and general style of play has evolved over time to that higher tier, everyone's welcome......buuut we'd like it very much if you'd fit to comp in our legion fleet please. That's making us less accessible to newer players, whether we choose to recognise this or not. IMO we're becoming more like a low-sec pirate coalition than a traditional militia (yeah I know, still FW scrubs)

As a side note: In all honesty, from my own point of view, I rarely partake in the normal run-of-the-mill FW activities. Why? there's no one challenging us at that level, for me, long gone are the days of novice plex grinders trying to defend home systems and there's nothing constructive to be had out of pushing the Calmil corps out of theirs, it's counter intuitive. As a result, while recruiting I turn more people away than I actually bring in as I don't think we (CTRL-Q) can provide enough content for newer players.

In the other corner are RDRAW, who are probably more akin to the above groups earlier version, more willing and able to take in fresh recruits, invest the time and effort to develop them. I've flown with a few of the guys there, they're good people that I have no desire to shoot (but in space every viable target is just that).

I hope thats not a disingenuous assessment in either case.

There's a gap here that diplomacy from both sides has failed to address and more importantly a missed opportunity. That's lead to resentment, which, in all honesty (IMO) only exists between the leadership, mostly while docked or offline. On the field (in my experience) there's been little provocation. Yup, some alts got blapped - but that happens between most groups. The vast majority of encounters have seen, believe it or not, cooperation with little to no drama.

I believe the beef really comes from the fact that RDRAW have chosen to work with another entity; that says to Northen Galmil that in their eye's we're not able to provide that higher tier action desired by RDRAW, in turn we say that Snuff are a long term enemy of our organisation and therefore we're going to break our ties due to this relationship - that happened before any blown out of proportion on field activity.

What i didn't appreciate (and maybe it's just me) is that inclusive model that was built way in the past, well that now comes with a few conditions. The wardec is a statement of that, the reality is not much will really get shot unless Snuff chooses to join in.

I just think it's a shame - imagine what could have been if we'd been able to work together, the numbers we could have fielded under the guidance of that matured core of old hands who have (whether you agree or not) pushed through the boundary of being tied to that base FW activity and do have the ability to duke it out with the bigger boys.

I really like being in Bebop (and that greater N Gamil coalition), there are plenty of personalities but for the most part we're having a laugh in a spaceship game. I do think there's a risk that we'll talk a lot about the past, without remembering where most of us came from and thinking about applying that to RDRAWs current position. I've not forgotten the lesson my corp learnt from our time as Iron Oxide in Minmil, towards the end of our time there, by some, we were starting to be viewed as elitists that only cared about our own goals rather than the health of the Militia. There was some truth in that, not by design or intent but because the gap I mention above was developing.

That's about as much as I can write while eating a bang bang chicken salad. Be nice.

FTFY

I like RDRAW, i appreciate what they have done for the WZ even if others dont.

However, once you call in SNUFD to gank what was clearly a friendly cap, you have crossed a line. Complaining and calling hypocrisy when other people join you on the other side of that line is bad form.

Its very unlikely that tek will post a comment apologising for breaching trust, which leaves RDRAW with awox branding, under what can only be assumed as the complete direction of SNUFD.

Dude, even the Beebop FC who got dropped on doesn't think RDRAW was responsible (See his comments buried in this reddit thread... https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4icr1p/spaceshipbebop_declare_war_on_rapid_withdrawal/ )

But I guess it fits the narrative better to ignore that and cry foul.

It makes for a more entertaining forum thread anyways.

Yup, there's some salty difficult mofos to work with. It's part of why BLFOX isn't in BEBOP anymore.

That said, those salty difficult mofos have always had our back and always been there when we needed them, and the same goes in reverse. As difficult as they may be, we're generally heading in the same direction on most things.

Don't have to be bosom buddies to work together on common goals.



That'd be when you dropped 25 supers during the engagement, NC. and us couldn't hold tackle on any of them. As I mentioned above, that was when we knew we'd hit the ceiling and couldn't compete against your ability to escalate past anything we could counter

Would RDRAW have made a difference then? Maybe not.

Would having RDRAW there fighting with us have strengthened our bonds together? Absolutely. Would it have made us more competitive against other mid-tier lowsec groups? Absolutely. Could we have built even more capable doctrines with their pilots involved? Absolutely.

And, now that capital mechanics have changed, it's possible that having RDRAW on board with the larger GalMil could enable us to start trying to push our way back up the escalation ladder. Who knows? Capitals in general have little application in traditional FW objectives, but we've built a pretty solid capital wing anyways because we're pursuing more traditional lowsec fights as well. Maybe we should look at getting some supers and titans, maybe there is space for that kind of content within the militia. Chuck used to have a titan after all, and Windrunners had a couple too.

But, we won't really know if folks don't pursue that goal together. It's not like we can't farm up the isk to make it happen.



To me (and probably only to me) this isn't even really part of the issue anymore. Sure, it was the straw that broke the camel's back and all for a few of the mainline GalMil crews, but whether the intel was leaked or you saw it on your own is secondary to the fact that you dropped on field while RDRAW was there, and that RDRAW had pointed our caps before that. It feeds right into the perception that they can't be trusted, and honestly I don't blame folks who are suspicious of your relationship with RDRAW. Stuff like this just feeds into the same narrative that early instances of our guys getting ganked in plexes by SNUFF while RDRAW stood by watching - that RDRAW wouldn't support the larger militia when the chips were down.

It's sad, but kind of inevitable given their self-selected isolation from the rest of us.

Alts in Snuff are mandatory, it is quite easy to get a 1 day toon with a cloak and a cyno (yay SP injectors) into staging systems to see caps unlock. As far as the timing, I **** you not from your own Slack we have been timed apparently we have a 14m response time (11 now that Rdraw "feeds" us Intel.) So by GalMil's own number we showed up on time.

Like has been said a couple times just step away from the BS premises and just admit you dislike Tek, SNUFF and an excuse to fight is just that, an excuse.

Something, Something, Spaceships?

More accurate that the arrangement between SNUFF and Tek has become untenable to a number of GalMil folks, and the wardec is generally intended to ensure we're able to see RDRAW on our overview distinctly... and that we don't murder our standings should we need to engage them.

So, mostly right.

Thats odd, i pity most snuff pilots who choose to play eve in easy mode.

Funny how we play for our own reasons but never miss an opportunity to criticize others for theirs.