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So long, and thanks for all the isk

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#61 - 2016-04-30 22:31:28 UTC
Feyd: I imagine that right now, you're feeling a bit like Alice. Hmm? Tumbling down the rabbit hole?
Raz: You could say that.
Feyd: I see it in your eyes. You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he is expecting to wake up. Ironically, that's not far from the truth. Do you believe in CCP, Raz?
Raz: No.
Feyd: Why not?
Raz: Because I don't like the idea that ree-ree's are in control of my gaming experiences.
Feyd: I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire EvE life, that there's something wrong with New Eden. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Raz: Bitter-vetdom?
Feyd: Do you want to know what it is?
Raz: Yes.
Feyd: Bitter-vetdom is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very thread. You can see it when you undock or when you jump your Proteus. You can feel it when you pvp... when you pve... when you pay your wardec fees. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
Raz: What truth?
Feyd: That CCP doesn't love you Raz. Like everyone else you were born into a hisec prison. Into a repetitive and ultimately pointless ISK and skill-point grinding prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.
Raz: Dude, let me the **** out.
Feyd: You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in Romi and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#62 - 2016-04-30 22:57:28 UTC
Agent Fozzie: Why hello there, Mr. Razpataz.



Bear

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#63 - 2016-05-01 12:44:02 UTC
First of all I have to say thanks for all the kind words. I really thought the trolls would try to tackle me at the first page.

Love you guys! ♥

As for all the helpfull suggestions.. I have to say we have already tried most ways to circumvent the buddylist change for 2 months now. Some work to a degree in smaller scale, others are just to much work.
Keep in mind I've now tried to hold on to the old school hunting for 6 years and burned out alot of my guys just by doing that.
The ones who had no patience or effort for it left to other mass decing operations (just to have easier kills) or burned out and went to a 0.0 retirement home.. waiting for pings.

I already have what I think is the most dedicated and patient members in eve, and some secret squirrels.
What makes you think making it even harder would make people not pick the low hanging fruit instead?
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Awesome Alliance
#64 - 2016-05-01 12:58:59 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
I agree that the watchlist changes are stupid.


But:
There is lots of PvP in both Low and Null Sec.

No need to fold your corp when there are many places to have fun in Eve blowing stuff up.

If you leave high sec you get better content.
Jagd Wilde
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#65 - 2016-05-01 13:51:49 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:
Jagd Wilde wrote:
I have heard that if one wants quick, fast, and plentiful PvP , that one only needs to leave hisec. No need to spend hours hunting one hisec carebear.
Roll

This is my main, FETID is a Lowsec entity.

That being said: All styles of gameplay are valable: Hisec, Lowsec, Nulsec, WH. Some people prefer Hisec. Who are you to judge what one prefers?

Post with your main or GTFO.


OP was crying about changes to hisec merc work. I offered a solution to finding plentiful and readily available targets. You got butthurt about whatever and felt the need to post more tears.

I was under the impression that mercs were badazz hunter/killers. Your tears did not seem of the same quality. They did, however, smack of adolescent inability to adapt or die. For a lowsec whatever you are, you sure seem salty. Maybe you should move to hisec and buy a barge, you seem to fit that group well.

Post something relevant to OP's problem or GTFO

Every alt I own has a red safety, this has brought my friends much laughter.

Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#66 - 2016-05-01 14:10:17 UTC
Jagd Wilde wrote:
Starrakatt wrote:
Jagd Wilde wrote:
I have heard that if one wants quick, fast, and plentiful PvP , that one only needs to leave hisec. No need to spend hours hunting one hisec carebear.
Roll

This is my main, FETID is a Lowsec entity.

That being said: All styles of gameplay are valable: Hisec, Lowsec, Nulsec, WH. Some people prefer Hisec. Who are you to judge what one prefers?

Post with your main or GTFO.


OP was crying about changes to hisec merc work. I offered a solution to finding plentiful and readily available targets. You got butthurt about whatever and felt the need to post more tears.

I was under the impression that mercs were badazz hunter/killers. Your tears did not seem of the same quality. They did, however, smack of adolescent inability to adapt or die. For a lowsec whatever you are, you sure seem salty. Maybe you should move to hisec and buy a barge, you seem to fit that group well.

Post something relevant to OP's problem or GTFO


Speaking of trolls...
The same goes for you tho.. leaving highsec does not really solve my problem.. does it?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#67 - 2016-05-01 14:22:04 UTC
Still stuck with the "**** what you find" instead of "find what you want to ****".
Jagd Wilde
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#68 - 2016-05-01 15:16:55 UTC
Lord Razpataz wrote:
Jagd Wilde wrote:
Starrakatt wrote:
Jagd Wilde wrote:
I have heard that if one wants quick, fast, and plentiful PvP , that one only needs to leave hisec. No need to spend hours hunting one hisec carebear.
Roll

This is my main, FETID is a Lowsec entity.

That being said: All styles of gameplay are valable: Hisec, Lowsec, Nulsec, WH. Some people prefer Hisec. Who are you to judge what one prefers?

Post with your main or GTFO.


OP was crying about changes to hisec merc work. I offered a solution to finding plentiful and readily available targets. You got butthurt about whatever and felt the need to post more tears.

I was under the impression that mercs were badazz hunter/killers. Your tears did not seem of the same quality. They did, however, smack of adolescent inability to adapt or die. For a lowsec whatever you are, you sure seem salty. Maybe you should move to hisec and buy a barge, you seem to fit that group well.

Post something relevant to OP's problem or GTFO


Speaking of trolls...
The same goes for you tho.. leaving highsec does not really solve my problem.. does it?


Hey i can admit that the watchlist changes were unnecessarily applied to hisec, and that CCP could have protected super pilots in null just by having the watchlist apply to only to pilots in hisec.
Hawever, if your problem is that you cannot use the watchlist to easily find carebear targets, then you get no sympathy. EvE is hard. Adapt or die. Delete the week. I am sure you have heard it all. And some of us dont think it should be easy to kill targets in hisec while you are protected from others by CONCORD.

You cannot simply watchlist some noob carebear corp to easily farm kills outside of the hub/pipe systems anymore, and that may suck for someone who cannot adapt.

So adapt. I know that changing old habits is tough, and sometimes it just does seem worth it, but buck up friend. If you need to scare up some quick and plentiful kills to satiate your members then you should be in Saranen right now. Is there something stopping you from going to lowsec and finding gudfites? Something other than the relative safety that hisec game mechanics allow you while you hunt easy prey?

Hisec 'merc' corps have had it easy for a long time. Easy to pad the kb while relatively safe from the rest of EvE.
Someone mentioned having an alt join the wt's for the member list intell. That suggestion was deemed "not worth it". To hard huh?

Maybe hisec 'merc' work was really not merc related. I will need to google 'mercenary' again, but does a merc not place themselves in harm's way, to use skills learned in battle to fight for someone in exchange for money?

Maybe you lot mistook 'merc' for 'assassin'. Either is viable gameplay in EvE, but only one takes on the dangers of mercernary work. The other hides behind CONCORD and wardecs while farming easy-killz in hisec.

Were any of you sperglords actually involved in the recent IWI merc war against the Imperium? For either side? If so, then congratulations, you earned isk as a Mercenary.

The rest of you were hiding in hisec, like assassins, trying to farm kills while protected by CONCORD.

I personally have several alts performing awox services in a few hisec carebear corps. It is very easy to see who is on and where they are in space, and all without a locator or watchlist. You could do this also, if you were able to adapt.

Every alt I own has a red safety, this has brought my friends much laughter.

ChinDownEyesUp Arkaral
Repo Industries
#69 - 2016-05-01 15:43:43 UTC  |  Edited by: ChinDownEyesUp Arkaral
really sad to hear it, I always saw the devils as the shining example of what i always considered the way highsec mercs should operate. as other have pointed out, it just never was the most optimal way to do things but it was at least possible. now its going to disappear and I will no longer be able to tell people that not all mercs are station/gate hugging cowards. (not that that is true anyways).

while i think the watchlist system was dissolved for other good reasons, it really shows the state of highsec warfare that the last dynamic avenue for merc operation was closed as an afterthought to solve a nullsec problem.

with just a few changes, i think highsec warfare could become something unique and worth preserving without having to make it like null or low, but without a CSM rep or any real voice we are pushed aside for what CCP inevitably considers higher priority features and problems.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#70 - 2016-05-01 15:47:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lord Razpataz wrote:

..
The ones who had no patience or effort for it left to other mass decing operations (just to have easier kills) or burned out and went to a 0.0 retirement home.. waiting for pings.
..

You used to ping me on mumble
Late night when you need my deeps
Ping me on my mumble
Late night when you need my deeps
I know when that hotline ping
That can only mean one thing
I know when that hotline ping
That can only mean one thing

Ever since I left hisec you
Got a reputation for yourself now
Everybody knows and I feel left out
Dude you got me down, you got me stressed out
Cause ever since I left hisec, you
Started deccing less and sparking up more
Buttsexxing bads in the Niarja corridor
Hangin' with some toons I've never seen before

You used to ping me on my mumble
Late night when you need my deeps
Ping me on my mumble
Late night when you need my deeps
I know when that hotline ping
That can only mean one thing
I know when that hotline ping
That can only mean one thing

Ever since I left hisec, you, you, you
You and me we just don't get along
You make me feel like I did you wrong
Going places where I don't belong
Ever since I left hisec, you
You got exactly what you asked for
Running out of targets in your pimp fit prot
Hanging with some toons I've never seen before

You used to ping me on my mumble
Late night when you need my deeps
Ping me on my mumble
Late night when you need my deeps
I know when that mumble ping
That can only mean one thing
I know when that mumble ping
That can only mean one thing

These days, all I do is
Wonder if you tolerating drama from someone else
Wonder if you rolling up a fat blunt with someone else
Doing things I taught you dropping Bhaalgorns with someone else
You don't need no one else
You don't need nobody else, no
Why you never far from home
Why you always touching hisec road
Used to always be patient, be a good dude
You was in the zone
You should just evac yourself
Right now, you're someone else

You used to ping me on my mumble
Late night when you need my deeps
Ping me on my mumble
Late night when you need my deeps
I know when that hotline ping
That can only mean one thing
I know when that hotline ping
That can only mean one thing

Ever since I left hisec...


F
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#71 - 2016-05-01 16:06:48 UTC
Feyd, you moved us to lowsec and all we did there was camp gates at the expense of active hunting before you left for null.
Frack Toasters
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2016-05-01 16:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Frack Toasters
Merc's, lol where to start.



The meta game is over for you guys. Pack it up. The rest of EVE pretty much views you guys as clowns anyway. Do some real content. Leave high sec once in awhile.

Or just shut up and sit in trade hubs pick off single players at a time because content lel...... Don't forget to mass wardec too
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#73 - 2016-05-01 16:22:45 UTC
Thermal Damage
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#74 - 2016-05-01 16:46:04 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
shut up anslo.


Always the correct reply to any Anslol statement.

I was found guilty of Nitshe by the CoCaP

Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#75 - 2016-05-02 02:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaely Tanniss
Frack Toasters wrote:
Merc's, lol where to start.



The meta game is over for you guys. Pack it up. The rest of EVE pretty much views you guys as clowns anyway. Do some real content. Leave high sec once in awhile.

Or just shut up and sit in trade hubs pick off single players at a time because content lel...... Don't forget to mass wardec too


Another "brave nullsec elitist" judging hs mercs. Cute Roll

Post with your main or gtfo Blink

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..

Sucky
Doomheim
#76 - 2016-05-02 07:47:27 UTC
Frack Toasters wrote:
Merc's, lol where to start.



The meta game is over for you guys. Pack it up. The rest of EVE pretty much views you guys as clowns anyway. Do some real content. Leave high sec once in awhile.

Or just shut up and sit in trade hubs pick off single players at a time because content lel...... Don't forget to mass wardec too


Dj zelo Telepath is salty because shitfit Naglfar and has decided to take out his frustrations on the good folk of CnP with his cyno alt.

Am I close?
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#77 - 2016-05-04 18:44:35 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Solonius Rex wrote:

Any ideas?


Locator agents not running on offline players would do it for me. id be happily back to work just with that


That's all it would take imo. Get feedback like you do with people in WH's. Or maybe new text. "The target is here, but he seems to be asleep."

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2016-05-05 23:08:22 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
As I recall, the buddy list can function as a watch list if the other person accepts the request. I have not tried this but it was how CCP said they would implement the change. In other words, if your friend agrees to you watchlisting them, you will see when they are online. This is why I suggested infiltration may be required now for normal hi sec merc work. Get an alt into the corp. Friendly up to the corpmates, claim you want to join their fleets when they get online and ask them to accept the buddy list invite. It may be harder, but may be doable.

If i can get an alt into a corp i dont need to **** aroumd with the buddy list, i can just look in the corp member list and see who is online,
regardless of this its still a ludicrously excessive amount of work to do on demand (which is what is required now),
moreso than i can give to this game and i have tried ,
i do have a clean unaffiliated account but that should not be a requirement .

Normal highsec Mercenary work is now sitting in hubs and pipes and decking everything that moves within eye-shot.

We will not ,
Therefore we are no longer Mercenary's.


I've long thought that a neutral scout alt should not be a requirement for merc work and a booster alt should not be a requirement for lowsec pvp...the game of alts is real.

The more alts you have to run to play the game effectively, the more money CCP makes.

Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2016-05-05 23:10:20 UTC
Frack Toasters wrote:
Merc's, lol where to start.



The meta game is over for you guys. Pack it up. The rest of EVE pretty much views you guys as clowns anyway. Do some real content. Leave high sec once in awhile.

Or just shut up and sit in trade hubs pick off single players at a time because content lel...... Don't forget to mass wardec too


I have respect for the guys that actually roam highsec and hunt for targets. The wardec spamming docking ring dwellers are not here complaining because they are not affected.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#80 - 2016-05-05 23:23:02 UTC
Atleast I can say I've danced with the devil's in a pale moonlight. Never been a member but always a supporter.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!